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Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:20 pm
by wrmnfzy
chapmanruss wrote:The 2 screws that hold the spindle guard to the belt cover are 1/4"-20 x 1/2" and have an hex head that uses the 5/32" Allen Wrench. They also use a washer with them. Check the screws item 11 to see if they are the ones. If you are going to attach this spindle guard to an older Belt Cover you will need to drill holes and install blind nuts to attach it. New Belt Covers have threaded holes already in the cover. I believe this change occurred in 2002 when the serial number sticker was moved to the bottom of the warning label on the belt cover.
Item 14 may be a rub collar if it has a 1/2" bore.
What are the diameters for item 16? Could it be a reducer for dust collection?
Diameters are 2-1/2” id and 3-5/8” id
Screws didn’t fit
My SS head is the new digital one
Items 3 & 4 no clue, sorry.
The knob in item 6 looks like the one to attach the upper saw blade guard to the table post bracket from the same guard system the other 2 parts are for.
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:16 pm
by DLB
Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:57 pm
by JPG
DLB wrote:Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
Beware of that! Back when I was about to purchase my Goldie, the demo er informed us that the wavy washer on the quill lock shaft is the first thing to throw away.
Sure he wanted instant on/off for his demo, but we all know how useful partial locking is during setup.
My preference is to not get one of those shaft guards in the first place.
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:58 pm
by jsburger
DLB wrote:Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
This is all EU (European Union) stuff as Brenda said. The same reason the new band saws don't have knobs to remove the cover. The EU said it was too simple for a stupid user to remove the cover and hurt themselves. Now you need a tool to remove the cover. If you are a stupid user you are just going to get the tool and do it anyway. Oh, and another abomination, the Euro guard for the drill press. Unless they have changed since the last time I had to use one (DOD 15 years ago) they are crap.
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:04 pm
by jsburger
JPG wrote:DLB wrote:Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
Beware of that! Back when I was about to purchase my Goldie, the demo er informed us that the wavy washer on the quill lock shaft is the first thing to throw away.
Sure he wanted instant on/off for his demo, but we all know how useful partial locking is during setup.
My preference is to not get one of those shaft guards in the first place.
Well, my 2012 Power Pro full up head stock came with one. That doesn't mean I had to install it.
I certainly have not bought one for my shorty or dedicated drill press.
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:07 pm
by JPG
jsburger wrote:DLB wrote:Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
This is all EU (European Union) stuff as Brenda said. The same reason the new band saws don't have knobs to remove the cover. The EU said it was too simple for a stupid user to remove the cover and hurt themselves. Now you need a tool to remove the cover. If you are a stupid user you are just going to get the tool and do it anyway. Oh, and another abomination, the Euro guard for the drill press. Unless they have changed since the last time I had to use one (DOD 15 years ago) they are crap.
I am having difficulty envisioning a guard for a drill press other than a face shield. Belt guards yes, but what else???
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:02 pm
by jsburger
JPG wrote:jsburger wrote:DLB wrote:Russ - I have an 04 Headstock with the SN sticker in the location you describe that does not have the holes for the spindle guard. So, later than 09-23-04. First time I saw those holes was at a demo in February, I had to ask the guy what they were for. (His guard was removed, his stated preference.)
-David
This is all EU (European Union) stuff as Brenda said. The same reason the new band saws don't have knobs to remove the cover. The EU said it was too simple for a stupid user to remove the cover and hurt themselves. Now you need a tool to remove the cover. If you are a stupid user you are just going to get the tool and do it anyway. Oh, and another abomination, the Euro guard for the drill press. Unless they have changed since the last time I had to use one (DOD 15 years ago) they are crap.
I am having difficulty envisioning a guard for a drill press other than a face shield. Belt guards yes, but what else???
Me too. Here is a link to what I remember they generally looked like. The difference is back then they were some how automatic. They would close/drop down when you started to drill. Getting to the chuck when the quill was retracted to change bits was a pain. The EU back then tried to make them idiot proof. Looking around today it seems most of them are manually adjusted and the operator actually has to put it in place.
Still pretty much over kill for a drill press for normal drilling operations.
https://www.palmgren.com/product/102/Dr ... ccessories
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:36 pm
by JPG
Good grief!!!!
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:34 pm
by thunderbirdbat
Re: Parts identification help
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:53 pm
by chapmanruss
Wow, I started a lot of debating here. Sorry my saying that the Shaft Guard may have started in 2002 was based on the serial number sticker placement change but also the installation instructions are dated 01/02 (see link below). It was not based on what I have seen on actual machines. I do know the guard dates back to at least 2006 since my 505 (date code 04-28-06) has it with the pre threaded OEM belt cover. Maybe, at first, they were only on machines shipped overseas.
https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/pro ... tGuard.pdf
As for those who say they won't use it I agree with them. I have one for the Shopsmith I completely upgraded to a Mark 7 but have never installed it. It sits on the parts rack which is where the one from the 505 will end up too.
When I bought the 505 it came with a Band Saw (date code 04-26-06) that has the button screws to hold on the cover on instead if the knobs. I like the knobs better. The screws have a plastic washer and were cracked. Be careful not to overtighten these as I believe that maybe what caused them to crack. I am having to replace them before I sell it. I prefer to keep my older 1998 Band Saw but will sometime upgrade it to the new cover with the tension adjustment window and hole.
Some changes are just not better, other are.