mid-'50s shopsmith disassembling and cleaning -- help

[dlbristol]

I love this forum! Three guys offering help to some one they don't even know. The advice is better than you could buy at any price, the price is free, and the product ( knowledge) is pretty much guarenteed for a life time. The best part, It gets passed on to others who pass it on and on.
I'm thinking I would trust 7 guys or gals from this forum, chosen at random, to run the country. Regardless of who is or was in power. Not a political statement, just an indorsement of the kind of people who care deeply about things and have some real experience and are willing to share thier expertise. Not a bad model for the rest of the country.

[JPG]

I love this forum! . . . . . .

I'm thinking I would trust 7 guys or gals from this forum, chosen at random, to run the country. Regardless of who is or was in power. Not a political statement, just an indorsement of the kind of people who care deeply about things and have some real experience and are willing to share thier expertise. Not a bad model for the rest of the country.

Bad idea!:D
The experience would ruin them forever(just like all others who will have preceded them to D.C.). MOST all anyway.
We need them here to help us all!:)

[fjimp]

Man that's a lot of trust. Then again most woodworkers seem to be long on common sense which unfortunately is a commodity many worl leaders seem to lack. fjimp

[edward]

I for one am very grateful. I look at my disassembled Shopsmith and think that if it weren't for you folks I'd be up a bad creek.

So, thin oil and Johnson's wax. I can do that. What do I wax and what do I lube?

#3 philips head -- very helpful.

Any advice on a machinist checking out/fixing the bearings on the quill and drive sleeve assembly?

Thanks again.

[edward]

Another conundrum!

There's no setscrew holding in the Quill Feed Pinion. It's been FILLED IN with some kind of metal filler. I tried tapping out the pinion but no dice. Tap harder? Drill out the metal?

[etc92guy]

If you can't get the motor screws loose, get yourself a can of Kroil. After spraying the bolts let them sit for 20-25 minutes. They should then ease out. Especially with the P#3 screwdriver. It can be done.

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[charlese]

Another conundrum!

There's no setscrew holding in the Quill Feed Pinion. It's been FILLED IN with some kind of metal filler. I tried tapping out the pinion but no dice. Tap harder? Drill out the metal?

Edward - no don't tap any harder! Sorry, have never had that apart. The exploded diagram shows a set screw, a woodruff key holding the gear in place. My guess is the set screw is an allen screw.

Hang tough, maybe someone with more know how will jump in here.

You lube in two places, the motor shaft and between the idler shaft and control sheave's hollow shaft. The newer machines have a hole in the control sheave shaft to allow oil every ten hours of operation. Your machine may not have such a hole. You will need to slide the control sheave off of the idler shaft to oil. Also you should review the Academy videos dealing with maintenance, before going any farther. http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Sawdust_Sessions.htm In particular see Sessions 4, 7, 17 and 24. Also search through other sessions. You might find just what you need!

There is another place that requires lubrication, That is the Speed Control Assembly - the worm gear and the quadrant need lubrication. Here some use beeswax others use grease. Read up on this! It's in the Forum! Also may have been discussed in one of the Sawdust sessions.

I know this is a bunch of reading, but you'll get more info than we can give in repeated postings. Just thought - You need a manual! http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/productmanuals.htm

Also look at posts by Bill Mayo. He has given excellent advice to many! Also he recommends drilling holes in the control sheave's shaft if there is not one.

No advice on local machine shops - It's your call in your local area.

[billmayo]

Another conundrum!

There's no setscrew holding in the Quill Feed Pinion. It's been FILLED IN with some kind of metal filler. I tried tapping out the pinion but no dice. Tap harder? Drill out the metal?

There is soft lead or filler that has to be dug out of the 2 setscrews in the headstock casing to get to the 5/32" allen head set screws. Do you have the quill feed assembly loose at this time? If you would like to send me some pictures off line, I would be happy to offer suggestions. Does the control sheave or floating sheave have oil holes? There has been many small manufacturing changes to Mark V internal headstock parts that requires a little different way to remove and install some of these items. Lookng at the Shopsmith on-line parts catalog, using the name and item number of each part/item you are needing information/help about would greatly help all of us to assist you in your project.

There is nothing on the Shopsmith that really requires a bigger hammer or to hit it harder. Being a farm boy, it took me many years to learn that but I still forget some times with bad results.

[edward]

etcguy: Kroil sounds good. Thanks.

bill and charles: I figured out the setscrew. It was filled with lead. I didn't think it was because the other one wasn't. Alas.

Thanks for the lube info. Will be watching those sessions soon.

I was able to disassemble the quill feed assembly. In fact, everything is off except the motor, which awaits the Kroil. Everything is also clean now except the motor mount.

Before I start reassembling and lubing, a couple new questions. The sheave on the motor squeaks when I spin it with my hand. Bad? Okay?

My machinist question has more to do with whether people do this -- do they go to machinists to get bearings replaced? Or is this not possible? The Drive Sleeve Assembly bearings are the worst. Quill only okay.

As for holes for lubing, looks like previous owner took care of it. I have holes in all the right places. But that raises another question: do I need to somehow clean inside those holes? When I cleaned everything, I was basically cleaning surfaces, between teeth, that kind of thing.

Again, many thanks to all of you.

[charlese]

Edward - When I was listing Sawdust sessions for your viewing, I missed #11. This session has a section titled, "Cleaning and Lubricating the Mark V".

P.S. It's a good thing to see your location!!!