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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:34 pm
by judaspre1982
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:43 pm
by SDSSmith
judaspre1982 wrote:JPG
Nice catch on the Greenie details.
Also the table has the bolt-on front rail for the rip fence to ride on. The earlier Greenies had the rail cast as part of the table. I do not know what years they used the bolt on rail, but I remember SS customer service saying they only used that table for a short time. This may help to narrow the year if it is the original table that goes with the headstock. SS customer service may be able to say what years these tables were made.
Also is there an access whole behind the SS emblem?
Dave
The bolt on fence bar/rail was used up until they stopped making the 500. The extension table got the bolt on fence bar/rail when they went to the wider extension table. I would not be surprised if the bolt on rail came with the advent of the two slot main table.
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:58 pm
by JPG
judaspre1982 wrote:JPG
Nice catch on the Greenie details.
Also the table has the bolt-on front rail for the rip fence to ride on. The earlier Greenies had the rail cast as part of the table. I do not know what years they used the bolt on rail, but I remember SS customer service saying they only used that table for a short time. This may help to narrow the year if it is the original table that goes with the headstock. SS customer service may be able to say what years these tables were made.
Also is there an access whole behind the SS emblem?
Dave
The raised ridge on top of the headstock is wide and straight. That is a characteristic of the earlier sand cast greenies. The Goldies (die cast aluminum) had a narrower rib that had a wider boss around the quill anti-rotation.stop set screw. Not sure re the die cast greenies MICKYD LOOK at yours!!!!! and report:D). I be betting the access hole is not there, However the push plate stopping the speed control adjustment is NOT there, but the speed control looks like it has been replaced. Not sure what the 'on/off' raised letters above/below the switch tells us. I have not cast these eyes upon a late greenie so as to be properly calibrated here. (i.e. The hole may be there!)
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:01 pm
by JPG
SDSSmith wrote:The bolt on fence bar/rail was used up until they stopped making the 500. The extension table got the bolt on fence bar/rail when they went to the wider extension table. I would not be surprised if the bolt on rail came with the advent of the two slot main table.
I think the early goldies(gilmer/3/4hp) had the cast fence rail. That would infer the table is not 'original'. Indeed there may be other 'mixed version' variations.
Good catch regardless!!!! Be sure to properly thank yer FIL!!!
More Photos, Advice, and Thanks.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:52 am
by copperhill
Thank you all again for your help. I cannot wait to get the legs and get up and running. I am between projects and have the itch to start a new one. Especially since this upgrade in capabilities.
I am attaching some more photos that may add to your discussion. I was not able to find an access hole, but I am not sure if I looked in the proper area. The SS plate opposite the power dial did not appear to detach. I did remove a portion of the motor cover and photos are attached.
I am also attaching a photo of all the accessories my FIL gave me with the unit. Any thoughts on what parts I need to obtain? I am sure I need a drill press chuck. The only item not in the photo is the planer - which I do have.
Thanks, Bill
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:08 pm
by wa2crk
Hi
welcome to the forumn. It looks like the tie bar that holds the way tubes in alignment may have been broken at one time and someone tried to do a repair of some sort.(photo 3 in your latest post) My suggestion is to replace that part. Also the notched pully under the drive belt seems to show a Gilmer belt system which is from the Green era.
Good luck with your rebuild. Lots of good info here. come back often.
Bill V
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:11 pm
by SDSSmith
JPG40504 wrote:I think the early goldies(gilmer/3/4hp) had the cast fence rail. That would infer the table is not 'original'. Indeed there may be other 'mixed version' variations.
Good catch regardless!!!! Be sure to properly thank yer FIL!!!
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/attachment.htm?attachmentid=9735&d=1280073068
Looks like a gilmer drive to me. I don't know of any gilmer drive machines that had the bolt on fence bar originally.I would guess that this a mix and match machine or Frankensmith if you like. It looks like Frankie may have been ridden hard based on the pics.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:14 pm
by JPG
Ditto re replace the tie bar!!!
She definitely be an early(sand cast headstock) Greenie! That is definitely a Gilmer pulley under the belt.
The access cover is probably tightly held on with spring clips and will not be removable from the outside. That also means there is NO access hole under it.
We be discussing these 'details' not as a critique, but rather to identify what version you do have. Some future questions will have different answers depending which version it tis!
Is It Still Christmas?:D
P.S. be looking for a sheet metal piece with a small button(like a relay contact button) and a 1/2" hole on the other end. It will be curved/bent. It belongs under the on/off switch and in the pocket under it. This piece is rare/scarce and is unique to this vintage. It apparently was left off when the speed control was replaced. Probably intentional, but that is another story! If you find it, we can mention to the 'masses' how it is different from the 'current' vintage, and explain why there is a groove(incomplete) on the back side of the speed indicator dial!
P.P.S. I forgot - That is a unique clamp handle etc. on the JOINTER(not planer) fence. Another 'anomaly (sp?)' created by a creative PO.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:43 pm
by copperhill
JPG40504 wrote:Ditto re replace the tie bar!!!
She definitely be an early(sand cast headstock) Greenie! That is definitely a Gilmer pulley under the belt.
The access cover is probably tightly held on with spring clips and will not be removable from the outside. That also means there is NO access hole under it.
We be discussing these 'details' not as a critique, but rather to identify what version you do have. Some future questions will have different answers depending which version it tis!
Is It Still Christmas?:D
P.S. be looking for a sheet metal piece with a small button(like a relay contact button) and a 1/2" hole on the other end. It will be curved/bent. It belongs under the on/off switch and in the pocket under it. This piece is rare/scarce and is unique to this vintage. It apparently was left off when the speed control was replaced. Probably intentional, but that is another story! If you find it, we can mention to the 'masses' how it is different from the 'current' vintage, and explain why there is a groove(incomplete) on the back side of the speed indicator dial!
P.P.S. I forgot - That is a unique clamp handle etc. on the JOINTER(not planer) fence. Another 'anomaly (sp?)' created by a creative PO.
Thanks, JPG and everyone else. You have been most helpful. A mix/match is probably right on the money. My father in law is interested in getting the job done and not on maintaining historical accuracy - exhibit 1 is the jointer fence
. In the end, that is my goal as well. My current Christmas cheer feeling is that a mismatched SS is better than what I can piece together separately (or afford) at Home Depot. Not to mention the space I am going to save.
I have just finished printing off the assembly explosions and figuring out (exterior wise) what I need. Thanks for the advice thus far. I understand this tool has some 60 years of age on her, but I like that. If SS is what I think it is.....then a little work and I will be in high cotton.
Again, I appreciate the patience you are showing to a SS novice. Hopefully one day I can return the favor.
Bill
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:11 pm
by JPG
SS is what you think is is, however they do not support that model completely. They no longer have the Gilmer unique parts(they are upgradable to the poly-v drive and that is both reasonable and the right direction) and a few others(that piece mentioned above being one of them). For the most part however they do have those which can get it up and running. Customer service will do all they can to help(not trivial!). They will really go as far as they can.
Deviation is OK as long as it works, and you accept possible future ramifications. I understand the spirit behind that!