Some where in my collection I have this Imax movie, now I'm going start looking for it... somewhere under 10 - 12 years of junk might be a good place to start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwRmBCANvE
Ed
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I guess he has not figured out you have to pull the cord to make the engine start :-):)JPG40504 wrote:Gnawing does not make much noise!:)
What's that SOUND?Hand Engraver of Metals; Maker of Exquisite Kindling; 1955 Greenie Mark V (NOW with a 1989 Headstock); Magna Band Saw; Magna 4" Jointer; Miscellaneous Craftsman & Porter-Cable electric woodworking tools.
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The Dam
This is actually a true story and the account of the investigation makes it even better...
The Dam
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This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the*Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of* * Pennsylvania. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.
SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County
Dear Mr. DeVries:
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality*that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced*parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.
A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity.
A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is
* in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource*and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.
The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially* failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream* *locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and* * cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and** desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow* * condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream **channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006.
Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.
Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action..
We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative and Water Management Division.
Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County
Dear Mr. Price,
Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to.
*I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, * Trout Run, Pennsylvania.
A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing* * and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my** Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project,* * I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures ** building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to* *attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose.* * I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam** skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.
As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.
My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?
If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through t he*Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other*applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see*if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams,*of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the*Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.
I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled* to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute * and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to* provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing*flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department* *is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.
If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously * *did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build*their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
* and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to*live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources
*and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment t (Beavers' Dams).
So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be*referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2006? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice*then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.
In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real*environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the*bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely*believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.
If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! *
The bears are not care ful where they dump!
Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable*to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this
*response to your dam office.
THANK YOU.
RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS
The Dam
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This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the*Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of* * Pennsylvania. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.
SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County
Dear Mr. DeVries:
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality*that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced*parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.
A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity.
A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is
* in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource*and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.
The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially* failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream* *locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and* * cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and** desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow* * condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream **channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006.
Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.
Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action..
We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative and Water Management Division.
Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County
Dear Mr. Price,
Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to.
*I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, * Trout Run, Pennsylvania.
A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing* * and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my** Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project,* * I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures ** building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to* *attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose.* * I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam** skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.
As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.
My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?
If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through t he*Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other*applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see*if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams,*of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the*Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.
I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled* to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute * and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to* provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing*flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department* *is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.
If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously * *did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build*their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
* and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to*live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources
*and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment t (Beavers' Dams).
So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be*referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2006? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice*then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.
In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real*environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the*bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely*believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.
If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! *
The bears are not care ful where they dump!
Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable*to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this
*response to your dam office.
THANK YOU.
RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS
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And what did the bureaucrats do next?:rolleyes:
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Here is more on the events of the dam beavers.
http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp
http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp
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T I M B E R ! ! ! ! !
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At least it went toward the creek instead of the road.
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At least it went toward the creek instead of the road.
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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jcraigie
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I know Ryan Devries and this really happened however there was more to the story. First it was in Michigan. He was tending the dam (after the neighbor who complained killed the beavers) because he was afraid it would come apart and flood his property (that's what got hime into trouble). After the DNR inspected the dam they dropped the charges and threats, they then admitted they should have inspected the dam before firing off the letter.
P.S. The dam did eventually come apart and cause a flood and new beavers have since moved in and rebuilt another dam
P.S. The dam did eventually come apart and cause a flood and new beavers have since moved in and rebuilt another dam
1984 Mark V 500 and an early 1954 greenie. jointer, belt sander, bandsaw, jigsaw, planner.
Jeff
Jeff
Damn Beavers! Now that was a funny letter written in repsonse to the PA DEP inquiry.
And, as mentioned cutting around the outside base (or what we typically refer to as girdling) will kill the tree. Deciduous trees especially because the vascular tissue lies just below the bark. Severing this is like cutting off a blood vessel to an apendage. Cut off the source of nutrients and the appendage dies.
And, as mentioned cutting around the outside base (or what we typically refer to as girdling) will kill the tree. Deciduous trees especially because the vascular tissue lies just below the bark. Severing this is like cutting off a blood vessel to an apendage. Cut off the source of nutrients and the appendage dies.