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Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:52 pm
by ribertgropius
Someone mentioned using PVC pipe slightly larger than your tubes to create a bath for them. Get the right diameter pipe, glue on an end cap, slip your pipe inside, fill it with the rust remover, and let it soak. You can reuse the evapo-rust for some time.

I restored a 1962 Model 500 that had very rusty way tubes using the electrolysis method and a length of PVC gutter. The results were amazing and the process kind of fun to witness (i used rebar for electrodes), but it was probably more work than using the chemical approach. I ended up using electrolysis for all sorts of parts on that machine; I even used it on the leg panels, placing them in a big plastic garbage can with four rebars wired together around the perimeter for electrodes. The bubbling action of the electrolysis loosened up the old paint, and with just a light clean up with a scotch pad, they were ready to be primed and then coated with rustoleum hammer-finish paint. I was very pleased with the result.

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:15 pm
by John4337
Arbor Questions,

Ive cleaned up all that I found, but I'm not sure what I have, looking for some wisdom from the group. looks like 2 large bore for Shopsmith blades, one longer than the other. The rest are all 5/8 bore.

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Thanks

J

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:04 pm
by jsburger
The two 'large bore' ones are SS blade arbors. SS saw blades have a 1 1/4" arbor hole. The other three are universal/molder/dado blade arbors. They are missing some of the washers. Each one should have a thick spacer and two thin washers and a locking tongue washer.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... arbors.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... oarbor.htm

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:41 pm
by John4337
jsburger wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:04 pm The two 'large bore' ones are SS blade arbors. SS saw blades have a 1 1/4" arbor hole. The other three are universal/molder/dado blade arbors. They are missing some of the washers. Each one should have a thick spacer and two thin washers and a locking tongue washer.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... arbors.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... oarbor.htm
Thanks, I'll keep digging thru and look for the other parts. Couple of questions, is there a special purpose for the long vs short SS arbor? and, as those 5/8 ones appear to be dado type, I presume I'd need something else to run a 5/8 bore regular blade? found several in with the stuff.

Thanks

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:52 pm
by DLB
John4337 wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:41 pm
jsburger wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:04 pm The two 'large bore' ones are SS blade arbors. SS saw blades have a 1 1/4" arbor hole. The other three are universal/molder/dado blade arbors. They are missing some of the washers. Each one should have a thick spacer and two thin washers and a locking tongue washer.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... arbors.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... oarbor.htm
Thanks, I'll keep digging thru and look for the other parts. Couple of questions, is there a special purpose for the long vs short SS arbor? and, as those 5/8 ones appear to be dado type, I presume I'd need something else to run a 5/8 bore regular blade? found several in with the stuff.

Thanks
The longer saw blade arbors are for compatibility with the 510 and on lower saw guard. The shorter ones are for 500 and prior lower saw guard. I've used those 5/8" dado/molder arbors with saw blades before, but I think the dedicated 5/8 saw arbor is a better choice. (Here again for the 5/8" saw blade arbor, there is a longer and shorter version for the different lower saw guards.)

- David

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:03 pm
by John4337
DLB wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:52 pm
John4337 wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:41 pm
jsburger wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:04 pm The two 'large bore' ones are SS blade arbors. SS saw blades have a 1 1/4" arbor hole. The other three are universal/molder/dado blade arbors. They are missing some of the washers. Each one should have a thick spacer and two thin washers and a locking tongue washer.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... arbors.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... oarbor.htm
Thanks, I'll keep digging thru and look for the other parts. Couple of questions, is there a special purpose for the long vs short SS arbor? and, as those 5/8 ones appear to be dado type, I presume I'd need something else to run a 5/8 bore regular blade? found several in with the stuff.

Thanks
The longer saw blade arbors are for compatibility with the 510 and on lower saw guard. The shorter ones are for 500 and prior lower saw guard. I've used those 5/8" dado/molder arbors with saw blades before, but I think the dedicated 5/8 saw arbor is a better choice. (Here again for the 5/8" saw blade arbor, there is a longer and shorter version for the different lower saw guards.)

- David
Ok, makes sense, perhaps my dad upgraded to the 510 spec at some point.

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:47 pm
by chapmanruss
Here is information I have put together to help identify the different Arbors made for the Shopsmith Tools over the years beginning in 1947. The first picture below is the different 5/8" Arbors made over the years and their part numbers. Note that some arbors had more than one part number and some had different versions under the same part number.

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Below is the different 1/2" Arbors on the top row and the different 1-1/4" Arbors plus the Biscuit Jointer Arbor on the bottom row.

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The PDF below lists the different Arbors and their descriptions. It also includes Shaper Spindles and Router Chucks shown below the PDF. Other Arbors listed in the PDF are not pictured here.

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Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:14 pm
by Majones1
Wow Russ!!! That's an incredibly helpful compilation of information. Thanks.

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:51 am
by John4337
That's great stuff, clear I still have a lot of homework to do on this thing. Thank you very much.

Re: Refurbishing a MkV 510

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:38 pm
by SteveMaryland
Amazing research effort on these arbors. We all benefit by your work. Thank you Mr. Chapman!

I continue to be impressed by the amount of useful information donated here by the members of this forum. May it continue.