ObamaCare and Healthcare.gov

Gene Howe · Post by **Gene Howe** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:02 am

heathicus wrote:I wish I had the liberty to opt out. I might not actually opt out of some things, but I wish I had the choice. To me, liberty is more important than healthcare, police and fire departments, public schools, or just about anything else. The amount of liberty we have is inversely proportional to the amount of government we have. And we have a LOT of government.

Right on, Heath!!

wa2crk · Post by **wa2crk** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:39 am

I pay my taxes and the tax bill has a spot on it that says I paid about 500 bucks to fund the fire Dept and the ambulance service. When I had to have ambukance service about a year ago I got a bill for $600. What happened to my taxes?
Bill V

skou · Post by **skou** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:10 am

joshh wrote:I don't think a better argument can be made. For good or bad, we don't get to pick which public services (most of which I'll never use) to opt out of. If we follow the logic of not being forced to buy a service and should be able to opt out, we would have citizens opting out of healthcare, then police, then fire, then schools, etc until they have opted out of all government entirely.

Josh, here in Maricopa County, quite a few people depend on a private company, for fire and ambulance service. The company is Rural/Metro. They service small towns without a fire department, as well as unincorporated areas in the county, like my brother's house. If you live in one of the towns, your local taxes take care of the bill. If you're out in the country, you have to buy private service. If you don't have private service, and a fire breaks out, they will still come, but you get a bill from them.

So here, at least, you CAN pick what public services you want.

steve

fredsheldon · Post by **fredsheldon** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:14 am

Maybe they paid for the purchase, maintenance, insurance, housing, and salaries of all those folks who drive them so that they would be available for that one time in your life time you needed their service. As I understand it, the fee is to discourage folks from abusing their use.

fredsheldon · Post by **fredsheldon** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:16 am

skou wrote:Josh, here in Maricopa County, quite a few people depend on a private company, for fire and ambulance service. The company is Rural/Metro. They service small towns without a fire department, as well as unincorporated areas in the county, like my brother's house. If you live in one of the towns, your local taxes take care of the bill. If you're out in the country, you have to buy private service. If you don't have private service, and a fire breaks out, they will still come, but you get a bill from them.

So here, at least, you CAN pick what public services you want.

steve

Steve, do you have a choice for the road/bridge repairs in your area.
Fred

skou · Post by **skou** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:23 am

fredsheldon wrote:Steve, do you have a choice for the road/bridge repairs in your area.
Fred

No, I don't. I was going to say that I wish I did, because I also don't have a car. But, even though I don't have a car, I still get rides from friends, and DO use the roads and bridges, that way.

Also, since the city of Mesa is CONSTANTLY working on the roads, and currently ruining the road in front of the store where I work, (and thereby hurting business) I wish the absence of this could be achieved by their lack of my funds.

steve

skou · Post by **skou** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:29 am

skou wrote:No, I don't. I was going to say that I wish I did, because I also don't have a car.

steve

Oh, because I don't have a car, I also DO NOT have to pay car insurance. And, that is how it should be.

steve

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:45 pm

skou wrote:Oh, because I don't have a car, I also DO NOT have to pay car insurance. And, that is how it should be.

steve

The best part of the ACA was, in my opinion, that those who could not afford care would have coverage and that those with pre-existing conditions could not be denied coverage.

If you are of sound mind and able bodied - I believe you should be allowed to chose your own coverage and if you don't want a lot of coverage that should be your own choice.

However, if you chose to have no coverage - that is your chose. The consequence would, if I was in control, be that when you need care - you pay for the care. If that should mean that you must morgage everything you possess - so be it.

I believe in helping those who cannot do for them selves. I DO NOT believe in a free ride.

An example of what I believe is a "free ride", in our society today, is the many, many weeks of unemployment compensation - emphasized with the fact that a recipient no longer has to PROVE that he/she is actively seeking employment.

If you don't want to work - don't eat - your chose.

What really, really galls me is that individual drawing unemployment compensation and/or disability who is a member at the local golf coarse and goes golfing two or three times a week. Each of those outings ending in a gathering at the nineteenth hole for a cool one or two or three.

keakap · Post by **keakap** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:04 pm

skou wrote:...

Now,he's off the teleprompter, and it's REAL EASY to just hear this. He is tap dancing around "if you want to keep your health care, you CAN KEEP your health care" statement. Isn't doing very well at it.

Anyone else miss GWB? steve

Emphatically.

Lost track of the number of times GWB was accused of lying about something, but when challenged as to the actual lie, I never got one- literally not even one- truthful and correct answer. Lots of replies saying "well when Cheney said..." or Karl Rove was just on...", but not one quote of a lie from Bush. Because there weren't any.

Contrast that with the current resident of the White House.

But when anyone airs or publishes a real, verifiable and complete-in-context quote of humdinger from Bary O, that person is a racist, et cetera, "picking on" the BO man. What lie?

But what else can one expect from a 'man' who has been in office 4 times, but was only elected three?

keakap · Post by **keakap** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:14 pm

skou wrote:...
For instance, a single male, with NO dependents, has to have maternity coverage. Just what the he** am I going to do with maternity coverage? ...
steve

Not to worry! That maternity coverage for the 72 year old single male is balanced out by the fact that he also is forced to pay for government (taxpayer) subsidized abortion (Democrat birth control).