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ChrisNeilan wrote:Possibly because it is inappropriate to bury ashes in a dump? They are not biohazards, they are human remains. They should be treated with a little more respect than that.

This is a terrible situation. There are allegations from the nurses union that protocols have not been followed (repeatedly and by several healthcare workers). This puts the whole country in a horrific risk.

Aren't human ashes normal put through a grinder after cremation to pulverize remaining bone and teeth? DNA have been extracted from human ashes although admittedly the cremation process was stated to have been flawed, thus the DNA survived.

How do we know this cremation was done properly? How do we know his personal property was properly treated? We don't we must trust.

And right now the CDC is saying secondary infections WERE NOT UNEXPECTED. I read that to say they knew health care workers would be infected. That is NEWS to me and eliminates all the trust I had to have to believe the cremation was done properly.

Let me ask this of you would you handle what they wanted to bury in La?

I'm not a conspiracist but what is coming out now from the health care workers almost suggest someone has an agenda.

Ed in Tampa wrote:Let me ask this of you would you handle what they wanted to bury in La?

Isn't that IMPROPER handling of the human ashes, to dump them in a landfill.

IF there is nothing that survives 'the process'.

THEN why not just give them to the family?

Ed in Tampa wrote:Aren't human ashes normal put through a grinder after cremation to pulverize remaining bone and teeth? DNA have been extracted from human ashes although admittedly the cremation process was stated to have been flawed, thus the DNA survived.

How do we know this cremation was done properly? How do we know his personal property was properly treated? We don't we must trust.

And right now the CDC is saying secondary infections WERE NOT UNEXPECTED. I read that to say they knew health care workers would be infected. That is NEWS to me and eliminates all the trust I had to have to believe the cremation was done properly.

Let me ask this of you would you handle what they wanted to bury in La?

I'm not a conspiracist but what is coming out now from the health care workers almost suggest someone has an agenda.

Bone and teeth are pulverized in a grinder after cremation. Short lesson in pathology. Water boils at 212 degrees. Standard practice was to boil surgical instruments for a period of time to sterilize them. (Can't remember the time frame as I now use chemical sterilization, or more properly disinfection) The only known pathogens that might survive that are prions (Think Mad Cow Disease or spongiform encepolitus ) Now the cremation process takes several hours and temperatures of over 1800 degrees are maintained. The only thing left is bone and teeth fragments (calcium, carbon). That heat destroys anything organic.
Now, if those ashes came from our local crematorium I would have no issue with them. We went through similar educations with TB and HIV.

JPG wrote:IF there is nothing that survives 'the process'.

THEN why not just give them to the family?

Possibly issues with the chain of custody? Who legally can take possession of them? If they were contacted, did they refuse them? Personally I have seen that many times.

ChrisNeilan wrote:Possibly issues with the chain of custody? Who legally can take possession of them? If they were contacted, did they refuse them? Personally I have seen that many times.

Reason I asked was I seem to recall some problems from the family re his remains. Perhaps it was cremation itself that was the 'issue'?

As a native of New Mexico, and wary of anything that government tells us, this reminds me of the 100 percent "safety" of nuculear waste in salt caves in Eastern New Mexico. We were told, after a very large percentage of residents here said no, repeatedly, that placing this waste was safe, nothing could/would happen. Well guess what, we just had an explosion in one of the storage facilities ... an explosion? Really? Contaminated about 20 employees and contaminated a pretty large area above ground.

As much as science would like for us to just trust, I have misgivings of anything they say.

I think this will go away, but we can't rule out the worst case senario. If I lived in La, I would be against it as well. Call me paranoid if you want, but experience tells me that it might not be paranoia.

MHO

Dick

rjent wrote:As a native of New Mexico, and wary of anything that government tells us, this reminds me of the 100 percent "safety" of nuculear waste in salt caves in Easter New Mexico. We were told, after a very large percentage of residents here said no, repeatedly, that placing this waste was safe, nothing could/would happen. Well guess what, we just had an explosion in one of the storage facilities ... an explosion? Really? Contaminated about 20 employees and contaminated a pretty large area above ground.

As much as science would like for us to just trust, I have misgivings of anything they say.

I think this will go away, but we can't rule out the worst case senario. If I lived in La, I would be against it as well. Call me paranoid if you want, but experience tells me that it might not be paranoia.

MHO

Dick

And Moi lives less than 20 Miles from bunkers full of Mustard gas. Left over from ????????. AIUI last time Mustard gas was used was WW1. They cannot destroy it fast enough for me, but it has to be done 'accident free'.

Some other nice stuff stored there also.

[quote="JPG"]And Moi lives less than 20 Miles from bunkers full of Mustard gas. Left over from ????????. AIUI last time Mustard gas was used was WW1. They cannot destroy it fast enough for me, but it has to be done 'accident free'.

Some other nice stuff stored there also.]

Mustard Gas? You gotta be kidding me ... LOL

The last time MG was used was WWI.

BTW, what else IS in there immense one .....

rjent wrote:Mustard Gas? You gotta be kidding me ... LOL

The last time MG was used was WWI.

BTW, what else IS in there immense one .....

Sarin I think!:eek:

About annually an alarm goes off and some are discovered to be leaking. None has made it out of the bunkers(so they say]is[/B] almost a century old!!!:rolleyes:

AIUI Thule has been destroying it for some time. Lotta hysterics here re destroying it 'locally'. ME? I have no desire to see it 'transported' further than from the bunkers to the 'disposer' and then only if well 'contained'.

IMHO there is likely just about anything in those bunkers. And those bunkers are probably a half century old themselves.