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davebodner wrote:Or even older: http://www.gregpetersoninspections.com/hammurabi.htm

How did we get from repairing Shopsmiths to killing sons (of builders) and slave trading?!?

I guess that I might be a overly cautious if I owned Shopsmith because of the Greenmoore, Greensmith??, Green something lawsuit.

I believe some law schools still use it as a liability precedent teaching opportunity.

As I understand it, SawStop has similar restrictions on who may and may not sell and or work on their products. They are aggressive in pursing those who make "company unauthorized" attachments, even if they do benefit the end user.

I have a couple ideas that I think would benefit Shopsmith users but I'm not willing to market them for fear that "best intent" would come back to bite me in the lower Pb area

I sometimes wonder if that lawsuit is a part of why Shopsmith stopped making videos on how to use (and get around limitations! ) of their equipment.

Be well,
Ben

algale wrote:Pastor Ed, instead of blaming the lawyers, maybe you should look closer to home. The Bible, not lawyers, established the concept of strict liability.

Deuteronomy: 22:8

http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/22-8.htm

Ed in Tampa wrote:As Bill's post alluded to I think Shopsmith is more worried about liability issues than they are competition. We can thank our bottom feeding lawyers for creating that environment.

I totally agree we should accept responsibility when we are at fault and do so willingly Matthew 5:40 (NKJV)
40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
But that does not okay people suing one another. 1 Corinthians 6:1 (NKJV)
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?

here is the proper way to handle it.
Matthew 18:15-17 (NKJV)
15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

That said most suits today are based on contrived negligence and even worst contrived lost. And the bottom feeding lawyers willingly take part in the ill gotten gain.

The area of Florida I live in is a good example. We have sink holes. People had sink hole insurance. Bottom feeders knew if you went to insurance companies over a crack in the wall it would cost the insurance company at least $10,000 to have a Geometric survey. They also knew the insurance company would be willing to settle for $10,000 cash pay out for a cracked wall. They split the reward with the home owner that used $10 of joint compound to fix his sink hole and the bottom feeder got rich.

Today average person can't afford sink hole insurance. Today most people can only an afford insurance policy that says the insurance company will only pay if the house falls in the hole. If just a drive way sinks or hole opens in your front yard you are on your own.

Today many people have lost their shirts because they had a sink hole and no help to get it fixed. Mean while the bottom feeders moved to the next get rich quick contrived negligence.

Our TV's are filled with commercials telling people to contact the bottom feeder to get rich quick.

If our government wasn't almost 90% lawyers it would never allow the 99% of the litigation that takes place today, our courts would not be over crowded and I think we would be the better for it.

let me put it this way. No way should you be allowed to sue because you never used a table saw before, bought one and cut your finger off. And you certainly should not be awarded $1 million dollars because you can no longer pick your nose with that finger.
And I believe the fear of contrived negligence, beyond ridiculous rewards and get rich quick promoting bottom feeder cases make companies react as they do, trying to minimize any and all exposure to lawsuits

Ed in Tampa wrote: If our government wasn't almost 90% lawyers it would never allow the 99% of the litigation that takes place today, our courts would not be over crowded and I think we would be the better for it.

Is the rest of your post as accurate as that phony statistic?

algale wrote:

Ed in Tampa wrote: If our government wasn't almost 90% lawyers it would never allow the 99% of the litigation that takes place today, our courts would not be over crowded and I think we would be the better for it.

Is the rest of your post as accurate as that phony statistic?

I don't have any empirical data to support my claim so perhaps I should say I used hyperbole to make my point as far as the data of 90% lawyers. However on the rest of the post I think it is fairly accurate and clearly represents the modus operandi of the common bottom feeder.

We have a 10 mile stretch of highway that has to have a least 30 huge billboards suggesting instant riches to those that call the lawyer represented on the bill board. Can that even remotely suggest professionalism, integrity, and just gain?

Ed, I find your remarks alluding to the Osario case and making light of the serious injuries he suffered utterly contemptible. Maybe you should consider a late career change from Pastor and go to law school and become a defense lawyer. You've amply demonstrated that you've got the necessary mind set.

Speaking of bottom feeders, how's this.

I was aware in 2000, CPSC, Emerson Tool Co. Announced a Recall of Craftsman® Radial Arm Saws Sold by Sears, Roebuck and Co. from 1958 through 1995.

There were about 3.7 million Craftsman® radial arm saws recalled. My 10" RAS was one of them and once contacted, they shipped me all new blade guards, safety labels, and a new top for mine which is still running well. I use it still, along with my Miter Saw, and my Shopsmith’s.

One still has to exercise suitable cautions to use any power tool safely, and aside from proper general equipment use, knowing your stock doesn’t have a 12 Penny nail you are about to cut through would be on that list.

It's always bad when someone gets hurt, whatever the cause it happened.

I am equally aware of the Saw-Stop like cases and the legal community watching it for their next big settlement ticket.

For what it is worth, a 5 sec Google search turned up this:

How do I contact a Table Saw Lawyer for a Table Saw Lawsuit?
The Schmidt Firm, PLLC is currently accepting table saw induced injury cases in all 50 states. If you or somebody you know has been injured after using a table saw, you should contact our lawyers immediately for a free case consultation. Please use the form below to contact our Table Saw Lawsuit Group or call toll free 24 hours a day at (866) 920-0753.

Attention Lawyers: We consider a referral from another law firm to be one of the greatest compliments. If your firm is interested in referring us a case or for us to send you a list of previous award judgments and/or average referral fees, please visit the Lawyer Referral section of our website.

http://www.schmidtlaw.com/table-saw-inj ... it-osorio/

People like these lawyers killed whole industries like General Aviation and many others. Bottom feeders? Maybe, maybe not, but they certainly seem like predators ....

JMHO