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Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:00 pm
by dusty
algale wrote:Ok, thought experiment.
If you are building a mini, you've got the main table and wouldn't use it without a jig like Dusty's and you aren't using the carriage at all.
But why couldn't you remove the carriage lock from the carriage(don't need it) and drill 4 holes clean through the carriage and secure some studs (lock nuts both sides of the carriage casting), then attach it and level it like an extension table using an extension table base (# 239 here
http://www.shopsmith.com/service/mark/5 ... iagram.htm)?
Then you could mount the "Extension Carriage" (TM
) in the SPT/Extension table holes in the base casting and have the full functionality of raising and lowering and locking the main table via the carriage's crank (510/520) or lever (500, Greenie, Goldie) and the carriage's table height lock? Yes, the carriage would sit a little higher than when mounted on the way tubes, but I'll bet it would sit low enough that you could still use the main table and the table saw.
Dang, now I want a mini just to try this!
MAYBE
It is the dumb little things that nail you on a project like this. In this case that might be the pinion shaft (#165) that you have not accounted for.
BUT, MAYBE NOT
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:25 pm
by algale
dusty wrote:
MAYBE
It is the dumb little things that nail you on a project like this. In this case that might be the pinion shaft (#165" that you have not accounted for.
BUT, MAYBE NOT
Yeah, it looks like it might be a close fit! I'm still thinking it might work.
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:35 pm
by cooch366
algale wrote:Ok, thought experiment.
If you are building a mini, you've got the main table and wouldn't use it without a jig like Dusty's and you aren't using the carriage at all.
But why couldn't you remove the carriage lock from the carriage(don't need it) and drill 4 holes clean through the carriage and secure some studs (lock nuts both sides of the carriage casting), then attach it and level it like an extension table using an extension table base (# 239 here
http://www.shopsmith.com/service/mark/5 ... iagram.htm)?
Then you could mount the "Extension Carriage" (TM
) in the SPT/Extension table holes in the base casting and have the full functionality of raising and lowering and locking the main table via the carriage's crank (510/520) or lever (500, Greenie, Goldie) and the carriage's table height lock? Yes, the carriage would sit a little higher than when mounted on the way tubes, but I'll bet it would sit low enough that you could still use the main table and the table saw.
Dang, now I want a mini just to try this!
I think you have it there Al. Let me add that instead of using just the extension table base, how about drilling the holes thru the carriage and AN EXTENSION table. Maybe this would give it a little more support to the main table? It would only add the thickness of an extension table.
A plus is the carriage could be drilled first and tested before drilling the extension table.
Any thoughts?
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:10 pm
by algale
cooch366 wrote:
I think you have it there Al. Let me add that instead of using just the extension table base, how about drilling the holes thru the carriage and AN EXTENSION table. Maybe this would give it a little more support to the main table? It would only add the thickness of an extension table.
A plus is the carriage could be drilled first and tested before drilling the extension table.
Any thoughts?
If I understand you, I think the extension table is too deep, front to back. It would obscure the carriage's holes that the main table legs need to pass through.
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:08 pm
by cooch366
I know pictures or it didn't happen. Here is my soon to be sanding station.
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Picked up my fourth ( yes I know I have a problem). It's a 510 came with a jointer and some extras. Needs some TLC.
So the next project begins. Who needs woodworking projects when you can have Shopsmith projects. Maybe after this is done I'll build something out of wood.
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:36 pm
by ERLover
Oh you got it so bad!!!!!!!!!!
You are right, I spent the summer of 14, rehapping more SS and some other stand alones then wood working. Well worth it. I did not make them show ponies but bearings, belts and some derusting, some repainting. It was worth it, bargain CL stuff and some work for quality machinery.
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:38 pm
by algale
cooch366 wrote:I know pictures or it didn't happen. Here is my soon to be sanding station.
image.jpeg
Picked up my fourth ( yes I know I have a problem). It's a 510 came with a jointer and some extras. Needs some TLC.
So the next project begins. Who needs woodworking projects when you can have Shopsmith projects. Maybe after this is done I'll build something out of wood.
Is it going to have an "Extension Carriage" (TM
)?
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:49 pm
by cooch366
algale wrote:cooch366 wrote:I know pictures or it didn't happen. Here is my soon to be sanding station.
image.jpeg
Picked up my fourth ( yes I know I have a problem). It's a 510 came with a jointer and some extras. Needs some TLC.
So the next project begins. Who needs woodworking projects when you can have Shopsmith projects. Maybe after this is done I'll build something out of wood.
Is it going to have an "Extension Carriage" (TM
)?
Yes, ( as long as you don't require royalties).
I've started looking at a design, I'll be able to use your idea in drilling & bolting it to an extension table, and drill / mill access holes for the main table legs to pass thru. At first glance it looks like they will clear without removing too much of the support structure in the extension table. I just need to position it so I can fit disks thru the main table. Which I have not looked into yet.
More to follow......
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:56 pm
by cooch366
ERLover wrote:Oh you got it so bad!!!!!!!!!!
You are right, I spent the summer of 14, rehapping more SS and some other stand alones then wood working. Well worth it. I did not make them show ponies but bearings, belts and some derusting, some repainting. It was worth it, bargain CL stuff and some work for quality machinery.
It was a good deal, a win win for both of us. I got another unit, and he got a good section of his basement back, and can tell his dad that it went to a good home, and will used and taken care of.
Re: Sanding station design question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:24 pm
by JPG
Fodder:
Rather than cut the original bench and way tubes, and since you are making a shorty consider getting a 10' piece of 1 1/2" EMT(thinwall conduit) and cut that to 29 5/8 (2x) and 30 3/8 (2x), make wooden plugs to prevent the ends from crushing when clamped and use them for the original way and bench tubes.
And do the modified carriage/table thing. Might be too short, since I do not know how the carriage/table mod will affect that. If too short, EMT is cheap.