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Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:08 pm
by BuckeyeDennis
rjent wrote:jsburger wrote:
How long ago was the last time you changed it over to something else? I totally agree with you about not removing the full function of the machine. However if you have multiple SS then why not modify them for special functions. Thea is why I made a dedicated drill press and a shorty sanding station along with my full size MK 7. Double of everything is not necessary if you have multiple machines.
I used the 500 as a drill press about a week ago as I had the 10ER doing drum sanding ops and the 7 was set up as a dado machine that I wanted to keep at it's place.
I dunno, I am green at this, but with your bolded statement I could just counter with "why don't you just buy dedicated machines" ....
I mean, from my minds eye, I would rather have (and do have) the flexibility of having potentially three drill presses, three disk sanders, three lathes, three table saws, and three horizontal boring machines at my ready and have the 7 capable of going into it two other router/shaper modes if needed.
I guess it is why I bought shopsmith in the first place, the versatility. Like one member says, "I use shopsmith not in spite of the change overs, but because of them" or something like that. I just like the thought that if one machine needs to be (or it would be easier) left set for a process, use one of the others to augment your process. When you start cutting, you lose that ....
JMHO.
All true. At least until you run out of space, and are forced to start optimizing.
And some folks will be inclined to optimize even before they run out of space. So then we could debate what is the most important optimization function. Space? Versatility? Aesthetics? I say that only the owner of the shop in question can answer that question.
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:48 am
by tcbetka
BuckeyeDennis wrote:
All true. At least until you run out of space, and are forced to start optimizing.
And some folks will be inclined to optimize even before they run out of space. So then we could debate what is the most important optimization function. Space? Versatility? Aesthetics? I say that only the owner of the shop in question can answer that question.
That's exactly where I'm at--forced to optimize. But that's alright I suppose. Nothing wrong with being efficient.
The 510/520 I have is the big deal. That one absolutely has to have space, because it'll so things that I won't be able to duplicate with stand-alone machines, because I just don't have the room for a table saw for instance. So having that in my garage will be most helpful, and the extra room out there will be nice when it comes to those operations. But having a sanding station right in my shop, that can also then host a bandsaw, will be a very good use of that space. Now the thing is that I need to figure out how short to make the shorty. But since I can't start working on the modification for another 1-2 weeks anyway (recovering from surgery), I have some time.
One last thing: How much larger (in horsepower) than the Greenie motor is the motor in the 510/520 units? I think the 510/520 motor is 1-3/4hp as I recall. What's the Greenie...1-1/8hp?
TB
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:57 am
by Bruce
tcbetka wrote:
One last thing: How much larger (in horsepower) than the Greenie motor is the motor in the 510/520 units? I think the 510/520 motor is 1-3/4hp as I recall. What's the Greenie...1-1/8hp?
TB
Unless you have a PowerPro, the 510/520 is 1 1/8 HP. The greenie is 3/4 HP, I believe. Someone correct me if I am wrong about that. A PowerPro is 1 3/4 HP at 120V and 2 HP at 240V.
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 am
by tcbetka
Yup...it appears that you're right, according to this page:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/toolhistory.htm
In 1962 it went from 3/4hp to 1-1/8hp. I would think the Greenie's 3/4hp motor would make a very nice sanding station, and power a bandsaw very well also.
TB
Re: Hello again, hello...hn
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:30 pm
by jsburger
cooch366 wrote:image.jpeg
Another option. I'm using a 510 with reverse switching, for a jointer / planer station. I left it full size but removed the carriage. I store my bandsaw on the right side and with the reverse motor, can use it on this machine, or on my mark 7.
Why remove the carriage? There is no reason to. By doing that you have lost the table saw and drill press.
Re: Hello again, hello...hn
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:57 pm
by dusty
jsburger wrote:cooch366 wrote:image.jpeg
Another option. I'm using a 510 with reverse switching, for a jointer / planer station. I left it full size but removed the carriage. I store my bandsaw on the right side and with the reverse motor, can use it on this machine, or on my mark 7.
Why remove the carriage?
There is no reason to. By doing that you have lost the table saw and drill press.
Oh, I'll bet there is a reason. We just don't what it is. Like my neighbor. He just can not understand why I converted on of my machines to a shorty even thoug I use the table saw function.
Re: Hello again, hello...hn
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:03 pm
by cooch366
dusty wrote:jsburger wrote:cooch366 wrote:image.jpeg
Another option. I'm using a 510 with reverse switching, for a jointer / planer station. I left it full size but removed the carriage. I store my bandsaw on the right side and with the reverse motor, can use it on this machine, or on my mark 7.
Why remove the carriage?
There is no reason to. By doing that you have lost the table saw and drill press.
Oh, I'll bet there is a reason. We just don't what it is. Like my neighbor. He just can not understand why I converted on of my machines to a shorty even thoug I use the table saw function.
Yes there is. I used it with a spare headstock, tubes and eBay purchased ends to make a wall mounted drill press, ( photos available on another thread). So I'm scanning eBay for another carriage and will pick one up when the price is right. Or maybe if someone would like to barter I've got some extra 510 stuff from yesterday's purchase, including a jointer, tables etc for one.
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:39 pm
by tcbetka
Well, I need a lot of stuff yet for my 510/520...and this Greenie headstock was rebuilt with new bearings. There's some surface corrosion on the tubes, but it isn't bad. I was going to look at a jointer tonight, but if you're interesting in talking about it...shoot me a PM with a number to call. One of things I had been considering was just parting-out the Greenie instead of restoring it and then selling it.
Otherwise the other option would be to just make a shorty out of the Greenie, and use it as a sanding station. But that'll take a bit of time--and I could get by with stand-alone machines too.
Thanks.
TB
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:25 am
by tcbetka
While we're on the topic of getting these things up and running again, I have another question...
On the model 500 vs model 510 issue, the "tool history" page of the main site indicates that the model 510 was first released in 1985. The serial number on the newer headstock I have is 150575, which appears to give it a 1983 manufacture date. So I think it's still a model 500 unit, if I'm not mistaken. It also has the metal bat on/off switch. I have upgraded the saw table system to that of the model 510, but the headstock still might be a model 500.
So did the model 510 have the red plastic power switch? It sort of looks that way from the picture on the tool history page, but I can't tell for sure. And the tool history page also seems to suggest that the 'C' headstock was the first to have the red power switch. Not that it matters a whole lot, but I guess I'm just trying to learn as much as possible about these things.
Thanks.
TB
Re: Hello again, hello...
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:47 pm
by beeg
tcbetka wrote:The serial number on the newer headstock I have is 150575, which appears to give it a 1983 manufacture date. So I think it's still a model 500 unit, if I'm not mistaken. TB
All headstocks prior to the powerpro where MK500's. It's the table system that that makes it a different modal number.