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Re: SHOP SMITH PLANER FEED MOTOR

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All this historical discussion does not help him find a replacement motor.

Somebody start a new thread for all this history re model differences etc..
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Re: SHOP SMITH PLANER FEED MOTOR

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well I have a regular ss planer (stand alone) and it fits in it. He said it needed rewound (220.00) plus his work hoping no plugs are bad. There were a least 3 maybe 4 wires I could see broken. Just going by what he said. Was hoping some one had one on a non working planer for sale. Another owner said keep motor assembly because the transmissions go bad too. Just wanted another one for back up.
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Re: SHOP SMITH PLANER FEED MOTOR

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I realize there are three pages of posts in this, but there is an older thread you may find some meat in relative to the controller.

https://shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewtopi ... 310#p24310

Some facts, some conjecture, some thread.... 13 pages discussing the controller(s)

Interesting read

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Re: SHOP SMITH PLANER FEED MOTOR

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It seems unlikely that SS makes the motor. If that is true then would whoever supplies SS possibly have needed parts (including the whole motor)?
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mountainbreeze wrote:It seems unlikely that SS makes the motor. If that is true then would whoever supplies SS possibly have needed parts (including the whole motor)?
Oh yes, it is likely that somewhere there is someone who makes and could repair the motors. It is also likely that that someone has some sort of non-disclosure agreement with Shopsmith and will not share/sell parts or information.

I had a very close friend who worked for Emerson. I attempted to get, thru him, information about the Emerson Motor used on the Mark V. He told me that there was absolutely no way that Emerson could/would provide the requested information due to legal agreements. All I was attempting to do was find a way to make that motor reversible.
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On reversing the Mark V motor. I believe Bill Mayo had a schematic in here on how exactly to accomplish it.
Please keep Bill in your prayers he needs healing and God hears the voices of many.
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woodmeister wrote:well I have a regular ss planer (stand alone) and it fits in it. He said it needed rewound (220.00) plus his work hoping no plugs are bad. There were a least 3 maybe 4 wires I could see broken. Just going by what he said. Was hoping some one had one on a non working planer for sale. Another owner said keep motor assembly because the transmissions go bad too. Just wanted another one for back up.
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A picture of those 'broken' wires would be enlightening.
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Re: REVERSING SHOP SMITH MOTOR

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woodmeister wrote:On reversing the Mark V motor. I believe Bill Mayo had a schematic in here on how exactly to accomplish it.
Please keep Bill in your prayers he needs healing and God hears the voices of many.
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The internal splice that needs to be accessed is inaccessible on an Emerson motor.



The splice has two run winding wires and a single start winding. The start winding wire must be brought out separately.


Changing to dual voltage at the same time requires more that a schematic to be successful. The schematic will not identify the respective ends of the windings physical location.
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On the Facebook Shopsmith Troubleshooting and Tips group, member Mark Harmon has reported successfully replacing the Shopsmith feed motor with a gear motor. Link to his post.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/4353320 ... 1833160579

For those of you who don't do Facebook I will copy the post and pictures below.
Mark Harmon March 23, 2022

For those of you that need a feed motor for your thickness planer this is what I did. Bought this reduction motor off of eBay a couple year’s ago. It has a 1/2” diameter shaft that has a flat spot used for locking the gear to the shaft. Bought a gear off Amazon for that shaft diameter. The gear has 22 teeth and fits centered between the two feed roller gears on the planer. The gear comes without a key way or any holes for a set screw. You will need to drill and tap a hole in the gear for a set screw. I did two holes 90 degrees to each other. The metal on the gear drills and taps easily. I got the gear info from a post that Beardsley put on the internet which should be findable. Feed rates are good and very adjustable. The motor that I got came with a board that actually worked when I wired it up. The gear case is filled with grease, not oil, but should last longer than me. I lost the aluminum piece that the motor was supposed to mount to so I made one from some 4” x1.5” tubing from a treadmill. Added a piece of 1” angle iron to that so the downhill screws to mount the motor had something to attach to. The angle iron also serves to stiffen the assembly. If I did it again I think I would try a gear reduction that was configured at 90 degrees to make it more compact. If you are lifting the planer on and off of your machine you might consider a small block and tackle set up like this. Works well for me.
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and the comments.
Mike McIntier
Thank you for sharing!

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Daniel Taylor
Thanks and very interesting. Any way you could post a picture of the gear side? I know you would need to pull it off planer to see the insides but would add more info. Thanks

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Mike HarmonAuthor
Daniel Taylor it’ll take a week or so but will. This was an impromptu post because it’s hard to take the time to do it right. If no interest then what’s the point right?

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Mike Harmon there is interest. 😎

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