Does anyone know who used to own shopsmith10er.com? It is a placeholder domain now so they either let it expire or a speculator grabbed it up, but the old owner has a couple Youtube videos I've saved.
I just noticed in one of these videos he has the new 4" jointer with rod mount casting mounted to a 10ER 4E headrest. If you look closely at this screenshot you can see the beefed up area (which I previously called "tabs") on the headrest casting where the jointer contacts it. I've circled it in red. My headrest does not have these, the legs are the same thickness all the way down.
edit: Everett, I just noticed your "Dropdown Jointer 10ER.png" on your Google Drive is cropped out of this same photo. Do you know whose machine that is?
badtheba wrote:Does anyone know who used to own shopsmith10er.com? It is a placeholder domain now so they either let it expire or a speculator grabbed it up, but the old owner has a couple Youtube videos I've saved.
His name is Scott Grune, but he hasn't been active for several years now
Ron Dyck
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10ER #23430, 10ER #84609, 10ER #94987,two SS A-34 jigsaws for 10ER.
1959 Mark 5 #356595 Greenie, SS Magna Jointer, SS planer, SS bandsaw, SS scroll saw (gray), DC3300,
badtheba wrote:Does anyone know who used to own shopsmith10er.com? It is a placeholder domain now so they either let it expire or a speculator grabbed it up, but the old owner has a couple Youtube videos I've saved.
His name is Scott Grune, but he hasn't been active for several years now
That's a shame. From his videos, it looked like has was doing some nice work.
jsburger wrote:Yes, I have 2 jointers, 3 head rests and two hinge plates.
Are both of your jointers model 4E, or newer, with holes for SPT mount rods? I'm wondering if the newer jointer models with the SPT rod holes still had the holes for mounting to the cast iron adapter plate for use with the 4E headrest, or if they had to be drilled to be used like in the last picture I posted of Scott Grune's 10ER.
Also, what would the jointer mount to using the cast mounting holes circled in my picture below? Was it ever intended to be run from its own base and motor?
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Also, since we're expanding into discussing the jointer as well... I just watched a video of a young guy showing how he cut his thumb off using a Mark V mounted 4" jointer. It looked like he was doing things dreadfully wrong, with the fence angled out and his hand pushing down on the guard itself, but what I found disturbing is he shows his blade guard flipping up rising out of the hex hole and catching on the blade and flying off... I will definitely be ordering the feather guard and drilling and tapping for the hold down bolt/handle before I get mine back together! I do this and hang on to my existing guard, I can always pop the old guard on behind the fence if using the fence out where it would leave the blade exposed.
badtheba wrote:Does anyone know who used to own shopsmith10er.com? It is a placeholder domain now so they either let it expire or a speculator grabbed it up, but the old owner has a couple Youtube videos I've saved.
I just noticed in one of these videos he has the new 4" jointer with rod mount casting mounted to a 10ER 4E headrest. If you look closely at this screenshot you can see the beefed up area (which I previously called "tabs") on the headrest casting where the jointer contacts it. I've circled it in red. My headrest does not have these, the legs are the same thickness all the way down.
edit: Everett, I just noticed your "Dropdown Jointer 10ER.png" on your Google Drive is cropped out of this same photo. Do you know whose machine that is?
It is the same sort of view of a machine, but it is not the same machine photo. I think I got the original photo from the late Bill Mayo back when I was working on restoring an original owners guide.
He snagged it somewhere else for me when we were discussing the 10E / 10ER models, at a time after he sold that segment of his business to Hog Winslow some time before.
Everett
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Are both of your jointers model 4E, or newer, with holes for SPT mount rods? I'm wondering if the newer jointer models with the SPT rod holes still had the holes for mounting to the cast iron adapter plate for use with the 4E headrest, or if they had to be drilled to be used like in the last picture I posted of Scott Grune's 10ER.
Also, what would the jointer mount to using the cast mounting holes circled in my picture below? Was it ever intended to be run from its own base and motor?
The answers:
The 4E Jointer of course had the holes for mounting it to the Model 10 Jointer Headrest since that was the only way to attach it. The Model 620 Jointer, like Scott Grune's Model 620 Jointer shown previously, added the SPT mounting posts but still had the holes for mounting it to the Model 10 Jointer Headrest. In the photo is a 620 Jointer from 1957, notice the hole next to the plate. When the 620-C Jointers came out Magna had discontinued the Model 10 Jointer Headrest Mounting Holes. The Base/Out-feed Table is the part that changed between the Model 4E and Model 620 Jointers adding the SPT mounting posts.
The holes circled in the picture could be used along with a third hold on the other side of the cutter head underneath the table to mount the Jointer to a home-made bench.
Of note: the 4E Jointer with drop down headrest comparison.png from Everett above is not a picture showing a 4E Jointer but a 620 Jointer mounted on the Model 10 Jointer Headrest.
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Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
chapmanruss wrote:Badtheba asked these two questions:
Are both of your jointers model 4E, or newer, with holes for SPT mount rods? I'm wondering if the newer jointer models with the SPT rod holes still had the holes for mounting to the cast iron adapter plate for use with the 4E headrest, or if they had to be drilled to be used like in the last picture I posted of Scott Grune's 10ER.
Also, what would the jointer mount to using the cast mounting holes circled in my picture below? Was it ever intended to be run from its own base and motor?
The answers:
The 4E Jointer of course had the holes for mounting it to the Model 10 Jointer Headrest since that was the only way to attach it. The Model 620 Jointer, like Scott Grune's Model 620 Jointer shown previously, added the SPT mounting posts but still had the holes for mounting it to the Model 10 Jointer Headrest. In the photo is a 620 Jointer from 1957, notice the hole next to the plate. When the 620-C Jointers came out Magna had discontinued the Model 10 Jointer Headrest Mounting Holes. The Base/Out-feed Table is the part that changed between the Model 4E and Model 620 Jointers adding the SPT mounting posts.
The holes circled in the picture could be used along with a third hold on the other side of the cutter head underneath the table to mount the Jointer to a home-made bench.
Of note: the 4E Jointer with drop down headrest comparison.png from Everett above is not a picture showing a 4E Jointer but a 620 Jointer mounted on the Model 10 Jointer Headrest.
Thanks, I think that answered all my questions. Was also confirming that newer/current ones no longer had the holes for mounting to the 4E plate, which you confirmed.
badtheba I agree with you that the cropped picture Everett is using is from the one of the Model 10ER with a Jointer that was identified as Scott Grune's. Notice the part attached to the motor mount at the pulley end, not a stock item. You have a good eye for details.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
chapmanruss wrote:badtheba I agree with you that the cropped picture Everett is using is from the one of the Model 10ER with a Jointer that was identified as Scott Grune's. Notice the part attached to the motor mount at the pulley end, not a stock item. You have a good eye for details.
Yeah I thought it was the same image, only stretched a bit and the background edited out.
