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markfive510 wrote:I was asked, "What get your goat?"

Then when I answered - "I get this".

Hi markfive510,
We were ALL asked the question. Your post looked like you thought that the rest of us should knot bother "complaining". I got the feeling that instead of members posting their pet-peeve, you thought that they (we) should "do something" about them and/or "FORGET" about them. On the one hand, if this was knot your meaning, I apologize for misunderstanding and unintentionally offending you, but on the other hand, if the shoe fits...only my original apology is offered.

Please tell me what YOUR meaning was so that I can understand better what you meant.

Coming up behind some one that thinks they have to come to a complete stop to make a right hand turn when there is no traffic except these behind them.

Having to pay for other mistakes in not knowing they were buy to large of a mortgage for their incomes!

Shop_Smith_Poppi wrote:Coming up behind some one that thinks they have to come to a complete stop to make a right hand turn when there is no traffic except these behind them.

Having to pay for other mistakes in not knowing they were buy to large of a mortgage for their incomes!

In Florida the LAW demands a full stop before a right turn on red. They are installing cameras at traffic signals and this is one of the biggest infractions.

If you come to Florida make sure you stop before you make a right turn on red or be prepared to pay the man.

I guess mine would be computers. When I want it to go fast, it goes slow and when I hit delete, it knows that is not what I wanted to do and it goes fast.

Bruce and Ed in Tampa,

I am not trying to justify the actions of all police officers but I would like to try and educate those who may not understand some of the tactics used by law enforcement.

As you may know there are times when the Police must respond to a scene quickly. Light and sound can give away a person’s position. There are times when the use of lights and sirens will alert a person that the police are arriving or are in close proximity to their location. Ambush situations are the leading cause of death of law enforcement officers in the US, and ambush situations continue to rise. The reason for this is the suspect(s) usually know the police have been called. To help prevent the officer from entering into an ambush there is in decline in the use of lights and sirens. The officer may appear to be driving with out due regard and one might assume they are speeding just because they can. But another explanation is the officer is responding in a tactical manner in order to avoid being shot in an ambush.

[quote="paul269"]Bruce and Ed in Tampa,

I am not trying to justify the actions of all police officers but I would like to try and educate those who may not understand some of the tactics used by law enforcement.

As you may know there are times when the Police must respond to a scene quickly. Light and sound can give away a person&#8217]Hi paul269,
I agree that the police use such tactics and I approve of them. The problem lies when they take advantage of being able to do those things when there is no reason, other then, like us, they are just plain in a hurry to get "there". I have personally witnessed on more then one occasion (and in fact many occasions), where this is so. I have had the opportunity to see where these officers end up going. It is imperative that representatives of the law be good examples. When they are knot, why should the rest of us comply with the law? How can we teach our children (especially older, licensed children) that they need to comply with the laws when they can see that the police do knot? I was taught that the police are knot "above" the law. Prove it to me, because, in many cases, it sure looks like they think they are!!!

a1gutterman wrote:Hi paul269,
I agree that the police use such tactics and I approve of them. The problem lies when they take advantage of being able to do those things when there is no reason, other then, like us, they are just plain in a hurry to get "there". I have personally witnessed on more then one occasion (and in fact many occasions), where this is so. I have had the opportunity to see where these officers end up going. It is imperative that representatives of the law be good examples. When they are knot, why should the rest of us comply with the law? How can we teach our children (especially older, licensed children) that they need to comply with the laws when they can see that the police do knot? I was taught that the police are knot "above" the law. Prove it to me, because, in many cases, it sure looks like they think they are!!!

I would have to agree, although I did not follow the officers myself to see where they were going. The police in my town have lost a lot of respect from the public. I myself am a law-abiding citizen, so seeing a cop that isn't won't change my habits/morals. But I agree with gutterman that our youth need good role models and unfortunately many times they don't have them at home these days. I hear every day of another drug bust in a residential home. I'm glad those jerks are being apprehended, but I would like to see more 'visible' arrests, like traffic violators. Unless you read the paper or are personally involved, you don't have the sense that the police are actively fighting crime. I know they are, but visibility is key. Our city recently decided to put up cameras in the downtown area to catch crooks. Not only is that an infringement on citizens right to privacy, but wouldn't it make more sense to just have more police presence. You never see a cop on foot anymore.

Bruce wrote:I would have to agree, although I did not follow the officers myself to see where they were going. The police in my town have lost a lot of respect from the public. I myself am a law-abiding citizen, so seeing a cop that isn't won't change my habits/morals. But I agree with gutterman that our youth need good role models and unfortunately many times they don't have them at home these days. I hear every day of another drug bust in a residential home. I'm glad those jerks are being apprehended, but I would like to see more 'visible' arrests, like traffic violators. Unless you read the paper or are personally involved, you don't have the sense that the police are actively fighting crime. I know they are, but visibility is key. Our city recently decided to put up cameras in the downtown area to catch crooks. Not only is that an infringement on citizens right to privacy, but wouldn't it make more sense to just have more police presence. You never see a cop on foot anymore.

Sometimes on foot, but we also have them on Bicycles and Horses! Oh they also travel in PAIRS.

Bruce and A1,

As I said in my previous post, I am not trying to defend the actions of individuals. I am attempting to help people understand there are times when police officers use tactics that are obscure to other citizens. Remember there are about 750,000 LEOs in the US. On the news, you will hear about some of the bad cops, but rarely do you hear news about the good cops. Regarding the ambush situations, the unfortunate incident in Pennsylvania helps to prove my point. .

You also bring up another catch 22 for law enforcement. As an individual, you would like to see more traffic enforcement. Therefore, your local department responds with increased traffic patrols. They may include the media in their plans to warn drivers to slow down. Then another segment of the population becomes upset and complains to the Mayor. This segment wants police resources spent on “serious” crimes like gang violence.

Either way it is a catch 22. Use resources to enforce traffic laws, upset one segment. Transfer resources to combat other criminal activity, upset another segment of the population.

BTW, the city where I live has foot, bike, and car patrols. Sorry no horses or motorcycles.