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JPG40504 wrote:THANK YOU! I did/do not care which/whose Wixey spoke/speaks. You have confirmed my own observations(without a wixey). The SS literature(when it was printed) states "precise 4 degrees". An overstatement to be sure!:)
The literature does not specifically state that the conical disk has a 3 degree tilt from the drive axis. The literature simply gives instructions for setup to use the conical disk. There may be technical reasons for stating 4 degrees that I just don't understand. The implication that one logically draws from the instructions is that the disk is tilted 4 degrees.
Mine is not. Mine is very clearly 3 degrees. This is why, when vjgrevem indicated he was having difficulty setting up for the conical disk, I asked. As it turns out, he really had no problem with setup at all.
"Making Sawdust Safely" Dusty
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whether one uses a wixey, square or a hairy eyeball to set the angle, in precision power cutting or in this case sanding, a test run in most forms of woodworking is still in order on a piece of scrap will save a bunch of grief in the long run.
Vincent, its good to see a name from Savannah, Ga. I was born and raised there. Still visit as often as we can get away. Savannah is still quite a lady.
Best wishes to you and yours.
vjgrevem wrote:No problem with setup of the disc to the table, but problem getting the workpiece/fence properly setup to remove a controlled amount.
Start with the quill retracted and the disk ALMOST touching the workpiece. Gradually advance the quill to control depth of sanding. Make sure the workpiece extends over the edge of the table to allow room for 'advancing' disk.
Same method works with 'flat' disk.
The quill feed being operable for operations other than DRILLING is a unique feature of the SS which our mindset tends to overlook.
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Why does SS say in their Conical Sanding Disc manual to never use the quill feed with the disc? That would make the problem I was having easier to deal with.
The manual also says to never use it in drill press mode, contrary to what I saw in a sawdust session about using it for thickness planing.
Vincent
Savannah, GA Mark V 500, Magna Jointer, Bandsaw, Beltsander, Scroll Saw
Thank you, thank you, thank you all for the details and esp. the pictures regarding the true angle of the conical section.
I originally set up the table-to-conical with a square, before affixing paper. My first sanding results were darn near perfect, then the 510 was reset to other operations.
Next time I tried to use the conical I went to my table tilt and set 4 degrees (yes the catalog info does indeed imply a precise 4). Of course it didn't work well. A square against the (paper-loaded) disc was hard to read because adhesives on SS items like abrasives works very poorly in Hawaii's sea air. (While sanding, the workpiece pushes the paper flat against the disc, good 'nuf. As it then sits idle the paper gradually separates.)
So I got out my Wedge Smart Level (you could say a precursor to the Wixey and then some) and checked it out using only real world angles, and got exactly- to the very tenth of a degree- the readings I see here on the Wixey pics (3.1) (after nulling the 9 degrees slope of the garage floor). [correction= .9 degrees floor]
So now I use the inclinometer to simply set the table(2.2 degrees) 90 to the flat of the disc(87.8) and use only the area from 1-1/2 out to about 5-1/2".
(And I wrote this down on the back of the disc.)
The good side was trying to set my tilt mark at 4 degrees but only able to get alignment when it was at a thin hair above 3, which I then found is exactly right. I frankly didn't have huge confidence in that indicator before. Do now.
Why does SS say in their Conical Sanding Disc manual to never use the quill feed with the disc? That would make the problem I was having easier to deal with.
The manual also says to never use it in drill press mode, contrary to what I saw in a sawdust session about using it for thickness planing.
I do NOT understand the 'don't use quill feed' instruction. The extension would only be a fraction of an inch in most instances.
The sawdust session INCLUDED a fixture to do thickness sanding. It is the fixture that changes the recommendation. . . . . My recommendation is be VERY CAREFUL when using this. It CAN and WILL bite you if you are NOT paying attention.
P.S. It is the dimensions given in this saw dust session that led me to the conclusion the "4 degree" angle was less. The geometry with the given dimension(allowing for the reverse table tilt) indicates an angle less than 4 degrees>
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keakap wrote:The good side was trying to set my tilt mark at 4 degrees but only able to get alignment when it was at a thin hair above 3, which I then found is exactly right. I frankly didn't have huge confidence in that indicator before. Do now.
Same here! I also used the Mite-R-Gauge (in Shopsmith's Layout & Measuring accessories) spanned across the conical disk itself. The (double) angle was definitely less than 8 degrees (4.0 x 2); this has been months ago so I don't remember exactly what 6.x or 7.x degrees it showed. I ended up being impressed how accurate my 510 table-top trunnion angle indication was, because it was exactly half of that double angle when set to work with the conical disk.
The original post was a request for information about where one might get conical sandpaper other than from Shopsmith (since Shopsmith has a backorder status).
Has anyone found another source other than to make your own?
"Making Sawdust Safely" Dusty
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keakap wrote:Next time I tried to use the conical I went to my table tilt and set 4 degrees (yes the catalog info does indeed imply a precise 4). Of course it didn't work well. A square against the (paper-loaded) disc was hard to read because adhesives on SS items like abrasives works very poorly in Hawaii's sea air. (While sanding, the workpiece pushes the paper flat against the disc, good 'nuf. As it then sits idle the paper gradually separates.)
If you use the square in the gap where there is no sandpaper, you should get an accurate setup.
