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dusty wrote: Much of what is purchased these days, even from name brand companies based in the USA, is made elsewhere. Like it or not, this is the wave of the future.

If we all start electing Americans instead of traitors that could be corrected.
Oh, yeah, and absolutely wipe out the unions and most of our other problems would disappear.

boozeclues wrote:I didnt want to get into a huge arguement about buying us vs foregin parts, be cause thats politics and your never going to change anyones view but buying stuff thats US made is kinda a crock. its easy to say "thats made in china, not the US so it must be cheap" or say "ill only buy american" but i can guarentee most people have thown down big bucks for a LCD tv thats made made in Japan, The suit made in Italy, or the beer from Mexico( hell even the "Domestic" beers are foreign owned). I think my Henkels Knives are better than anything made in the US. I dont think buying things from another country is wrong, i think buying the thing from the other side of the world having it put on a boat, going through 1000s of miles of ocean, arriving at a port in california, getting on a truck and then driving 2000 miles to my house and the item is STILL cheaper then buying it from the next state over.

My views concerning items made in China are knot all about quality (nor are they all about politics or the damage they do to our economy)]BTW, if you peruse my posts about foriegn made items, you will see that, in general, I believe that buying American made is best, but I am knot totally against it. I am totally against supporting governments that, for one reason or another, do knot "fit" into my idea of what is right. There are knot that many, but the government of China is one. Buying American made product will never hurt our economy (and thus American jobs), can you say that about buying foriegn product? I think knot![/SIZE]

a1gutterman wrote:...........

BTW, if you peruse my posts about foriegn made items, you will see that, in general, I believe that buying American made is best, but I am knot totally against it. I am totally against supporting governments that, for one reason or another, do knot "fit" into my idea of what is right. There are knot that many, but the government of China is one. Buying American made product will never hurt our economy (and thus American jobs), can you say that about buying foriegn product? I think knot!

This all depends on a (political) point of view, doesn't it?

There I go, breaking one of my own rules!

a1gutterman wrote:The link Dusty gave just worked fine for me. I am using IE8.

I have tried firefox 2 series and 3 series and IE6 & IE7 from both work and home. I do not recall if I tried other browsers. Since December 2008 (my first attempt), I have received the "You are banned" greeting from the Jointech forums top page.

Ernest Saldana of iTools has been assuring me every 6 months or so that I am not banned and that it is a problem they are working on. in response to a ping from me, he responded on Friday that he had been able to get the board up and running again but that he was now experiencing the banned message himself. he says that he has posted a request for help on a board. I am guessing that it is a forum software admin board.

this is what I get:
[ATTACH]6086[/ATTACH]

I bought a sawtrain anyway when they assured me that they were fixing this. as you might guess, I have not been thrilled about their forum. it really makes me appreciate SS.

riot_nrrd wrote:FYI, some of the best knives I have ever used are made in the US - Cutco.
Riot Nrrd

I agree with that whole post. We still have our Cutco and still use 'em (wedding present in '71).
I was surprised to learn a few years ago that Cutco, like Sears, like ShopSmith, like AllClad, like some others, guarantees their "Made in U.S.A." products basically forever.

I can't imagine getting the same service from China as I got from ShopSmith, for example.

iclark wrote:I have tried firefox 2 series and 3 series and IE6 & IE7 from both work and home. I do not recall if I tried other browsers. Since December 2008 (my first attempt), I have received the "You are banned" greeting from the Jointech forums top page.

Ernest Saldana of iTools has been assuring me every 6 months or so that I am not banned and that it is a problem they are working on. in response to a ping from me, he responded on Friday that he had been able to get the board up and running again but that he was now experiencing the banned message himself. he says that he has posted a request for help on a board. I am guessing that it is a forum software admin board.

this is what I get:

[ATTACH]6086[/ATTACH]

I bought a sawtrain anyway when they assured me that they were fixing this. as you might guess, I have not been thrilled about their forum. it really makes me appreciate SS.

Hmmmm

Is there a reason why you can not just register as a new user (username and password) maybe even (telephone number and address).

keakap wrote:like Sears, guarantees their "Made in U.S.A." products basically forever.

I can't imagine getting the same service from China as I got from ShopSmith, for example.

A class action lawsuit against Sears, Roebuck and Co alleges that Sears conducted false advertising and consumer fraud by advertising that its Craftsman tool line is "Made in the USA."

The suit alleges that promotions in ads, the website, on signs and labels claiming that Craftsman is "Made in the USA" led consumers to purchase the tools out of a sense of patriotism. Consumers were also led to believe that Craftsman is of high quality because it is "Made in the USA."

Pictures attached to the complaint show metal parts from Austria, Denmark, China, India and Mexico on Craftsman tools labeled as "Made in the USA."

"Sears has falsely touted Craftsman tools as 'Made in the USA' when the Federal Trade Commission has issued guidelines stating that such a claim is proper only where all or substantially all of the product is U.S.A. made. Sears Craftsman is misleading consumers by invoking that claim," said Barbara J. Hart, attorney for the tool buyers.

The lawsuit, which seeks class-action status and unspecified damages, was filed last week in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan.

Tool buyers Kenneth Vigiletti, Sidney Hyatt and Elaine Hyatt are the plaintiffs named in the suit.



Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/s ... z0SMXj29SR

Also after all this talk about Cutco, I thought I would share this link http://www.cheftalk.com/forums/cooking- ... nives.html

My first job when i was 16 was as a salesperson for the Vector Corp ( Their marketing company) Much like the knives you see on late night tv they look amazing doing certain things but fail at alot of basic tasks. I had to get a loan from my parents to buy a demo set and after a short time of having doors slammed in my face I gave the entire set away because they were only good at cutting tomatoes and tore meat. I dont doubt that you can be very happy with Cutco knives but they are not on par with Henckels, Wustohoff, or Global.

I do buy american when I can. I bought a Trek Mt bike because it was well made and I think it was worth the extra money. BUT it also uses Shimano components which im guessing are japanese.

My main point when i started this thread has since been derailed. I am frustrated with what i feel is like SS is gouging their customers on parts since they know that most of them are unique to their machine. To use Cutco as a example some of the knives they make have a special serration on them and and you need to send them to the factory to have them sharpened. they DONT overcharge imo for this service but lets pretend they charge 50 bucks to sharpen your knives. I say 50 dollars is too much for that! and everyone responds "American craftsmanship is expensive and they will be sharp!" well lets assume that i have non serrated knives and send them to a local shop to get them sharpened for 20 bucks..... they are just as sharp, should i care that a immigrent may have sharpened them?

dusty wrote:Hmmmm

Is there a reason why you can not just register as a new user (username and password) maybe even (telephone number and address).

I have never gotten ANY portion of their bulletin board that shows me anything different than that graphic I posted. the url changes to append the faq or register or whatever page, but it still just shows that exact same banned page content. 8 of the 10 links tell me that I am banned. the links to their homepage and their catalog work. I think that all the other sections of their site works for me except the "Wood Academy" link on the top catalog page. as soon as my pointer touches that link, it switches to a "Track Changes" link. if their academy exists, I have never seen it because I do not know the url. they are perfectly happy taking my money through their website.

I won't belabor my other problems with them in this thread. I posted those back when they were updating the 520 clamps.

boozeclues wrote:A class action lawsuit against Sears, Roebuck and Co alleges that Sears conducted false advertising and consumer fraud by advertising that its Craftsman tool line is "Made in the USA."

The suit alleges that promotions in ads, the website, on signs and labels claiming that Craftsman is "Made in the USA" led consumers to purchase the tools out of a sense of patriotism. Consumers were also led to believe that Craftsman is of high quality because it is "Made in the USA."

Pictures attached to the complaint show metal parts from Austria, Denmark, China, India and Mexico on Craftsman tools labeled as "Made in the USA."

"Sears has falsely touted Craftsman tools as 'Made in the USA' when the Federal Trade Commission has issued guidelines stating that such a claim is proper only where all or substantially all of the product is U.S.A. made. Sears Craftsman is misleading consumers by invoking that claim," said Barbara J. Hart, attorney for the tool buyers.

The lawsuit, which seeks class-action status and unspecified damages, was filed last week in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan.

Tool buyers Kenneth Vigiletti, Sidney Hyatt and Elaine Hyatt are the plaintiffs named in the suit.



Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/sears_craftsman.html#ixzz0SMXj29SR

Hi boozeclues!
I checked out that link. The date of the article is December 8, 2004! Are you sure that the suit was filed last week? I wood be interested in the outcome.