Case claims the standard design of American table saws is defective since it doesn't have 'flesh detection' technology!!! Courts pay $1.5M.
Boston Globe article
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Boston Globe article
They already have 93 comments......
Do we want to repeat them all here?????
Ed
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robinson46176
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I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
With reference to the Boston Globe Article posted above:
These law suits and the "safety thinking gurus" will not rest until the world sells only power tools that operate by computer and the "woodworker" can stand back and view the operation remotely from behind a bullet proof shield! I am hopeful this case and others like it will be overturned on appeal. What's wrong with the necessity of reading the safety cautions that come with these tools.
If these types of judgments continue and win appeals - there goes the end of the woodworking craft - at least with power tools. What a bunch of mis-directed thoughts and litigations. Do we really need to protect everyone from themselves? Sometimes the cure for stupidity is harmful to the offender. In that case, it wasn't the tool that was the problem - it was the user.
As an after thought, how about protecting us from bench chisels!! One time I slipped and cut a finger through to the bone and in fact put a good sized nick in the bone! Still have numbness in that finger tip! We probably need to outlaw chisel use, or at least wear safety gloves like carvers do. Maybe all hand chisel makers must be made to include such gloves with their tools.
Ever have a pry bar slip and hit some part of your body? Let's sue the maker of the bars.
Ever close a door on your fingers? Let's sue the door maker to make them produce soft and forgiving door jams.
How about the auto driver that rear ends the car in front of him? He might sue because the car maker of his machine didn't install automatic collision braking system. Do you have this technology in your car? Why not! Let's all sue! A big class action thing!
This type of thought could go on forever and probably will unless some type of litigation protection is enacted. Without such protection from litigation, we, the people will continue to sue and sue for any type of accident we have regardless of our own faulty actions.
These law suits and the "safety thinking gurus" will not rest until the world sells only power tools that operate by computer and the "woodworker" can stand back and view the operation remotely from behind a bullet proof shield! I am hopeful this case and others like it will be overturned on appeal. What's wrong with the necessity of reading the safety cautions that come with these tools.
If these types of judgments continue and win appeals - there goes the end of the woodworking craft - at least with power tools. What a bunch of mis-directed thoughts and litigations. Do we really need to protect everyone from themselves? Sometimes the cure for stupidity is harmful to the offender. In that case, it wasn't the tool that was the problem - it was the user.
As an after thought, how about protecting us from bench chisels!! One time I slipped and cut a finger through to the bone and in fact put a good sized nick in the bone! Still have numbness in that finger tip! We probably need to outlaw chisel use, or at least wear safety gloves like carvers do. Maybe all hand chisel makers must be made to include such gloves with their tools.
Ever have a pry bar slip and hit some part of your body? Let's sue the maker of the bars.
Ever close a door on your fingers? Let's sue the door maker to make them produce soft and forgiving door jams.
How about the auto driver that rear ends the car in front of him? He might sue because the car maker of his machine didn't install automatic collision braking system. Do you have this technology in your car? Why not! Let's all sue! A big class action thing!
This type of thought could go on forever and probably will unless some type of litigation protection is enacted. Without such protection from litigation, we, the people will continue to sue and sue for any type of accident we have regardless of our own faulty actions.
Octogenarian's have an earned right to be a curmudgeon.
Chuck in Lancaster, CA
Chuck in Lancaster, CA
Taken care of!robinson46176 wrote:Heathicus, your PM box is full...
BTW, I hate that 50 message limit! I don't want to get rid of any of them!!
Heath
Central Louisiana
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-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
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swampgator
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Don't let the operator get near a Shopsmith or let the lawyer know that such a wonderful machine exists for those of us who can think and follow safety precautions. The guy who sued probably needed some dough to pay off one of his pharma reps. 
Think I'll go crank up the band saw and see how much damage I can do to some scraps. Wishing all a super day.
Think I'll go crank up the band saw and see how much damage I can do to some scraps. Wishing all a super day.Steve, the old Florida gator
I just love it when she says I can go make sawdust.
I just love it when she says I can go make sawdust.
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Somebody must be doing something...
It may reflect that folks are remodeling since they are not building so many new houses but a local counter-top factory is very busy.
I have a grandson and the husband of a granddaughter that both work at a large local counter-top maker that ships nationally. Both young men are working 2 hours overtime each day (and have been for some weeks) and now there is talk of them also starting to work weekends soon... Since the counter-top is only part of the system I would assume that at least a fair number of those new tops are going to be attached to new cabinets and that some of those will go into new houses.
I was talking with a long time real estate broker acquaintence recently and she said that if she gets a listing for a house that is priced at a reasonable price it is gone. She is having trouble keeping listings. Of course those listings that are priced from "high" on up to "pie in the sky" levels for what they are will still sitting.
We are in better than average shape here in my part of Indiana (20 miles south east of Indy) for several reasons. Much of our county is still ag based and our industrial base is very diverse, not just automotive based. It also helps that we were a little behind other donut counties in development (thankfully). The "donut" counties are the 7 counties that share borders with Marion County which is Indianapolis.
We also have a betting horse race track / casino (they call it a racino) about 6 miles north of me. While a similar facility north east of Indy is going bankrupt this one is doing well. The local paper headline one day this week was "County government sitting on millions". Racino money of course. They are trying to decide what to spend it on...
Purdue University is going to be building a huge equine health center in the county and it looks like it will be quite close to the track.
I am pretty excited about the Lowes going into a new shopping center (and the White Castle) but I am a little concerned about the new apartment complex going in about a half mile from one corner of the farm. The last number I saw was almost 400 apartments. Time to build more electric fences.
You do know that farm fields belong to everybody and you can use them any way you like when ever you like (including as a wastebasket)...
At least a lot of people seem to think so...
I have a grandson and the husband of a granddaughter that both work at a large local counter-top maker that ships nationally. Both young men are working 2 hours overtime each day (and have been for some weeks) and now there is talk of them also starting to work weekends soon... Since the counter-top is only part of the system I would assume that at least a fair number of those new tops are going to be attached to new cabinets and that some of those will go into new houses.
I was talking with a long time real estate broker acquaintence recently and she said that if she gets a listing for a house that is priced at a reasonable price it is gone. She is having trouble keeping listings. Of course those listings that are priced from "high" on up to "pie in the sky" levels for what they are will still sitting.
We are in better than average shape here in my part of Indiana (20 miles south east of Indy) for several reasons. Much of our county is still ag based and our industrial base is very diverse, not just automotive based. It also helps that we were a little behind other donut counties in development (thankfully). The "donut" counties are the 7 counties that share borders with Marion County which is Indianapolis.
We also have a betting horse race track / casino (they call it a racino) about 6 miles north of me. While a similar facility north east of Indy is going bankrupt this one is doing well. The local paper headline one day this week was "County government sitting on millions". Racino money of course. They are trying to decide what to spend it on...
Purdue University is going to be building a huge equine health center in the county and it looks like it will be quite close to the track.
I am pretty excited about the Lowes going into a new shopping center (and the White Castle) but I am a little concerned about the new apartment complex going in about a half mile from one corner of the farm. The last number I saw was almost 400 apartments. Time to build more electric fences.
You do know that farm fields belong to everybody and you can use them any way you like when ever you like (including as a wastebasket)...
At least a lot of people seem to think so...
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill