Danger!

[keakap]

Good morning all...
I have held my tongue long enough. There...
2. This Forum is NOT a direct line to Shopsmith Customer Service or Shopsmith Engineering. Do NOT expect a response from Shopsmith Customer Service or Shopsmith Engineering from a posting on this Forum. Shopsmith associates do NOT monitor it on a regular schedule. If you wait weeks for a response after posting here you deserve what you get.
3. This Forum is NOT the proper way to inform Shopsmith of a problem with any one of their produces or products. See #1 above....

Okay. STOP right there.

Since you address my post I take those misguided comments personally.

I DO NOT use this forum as a way to notify CS or SSE.

I MADE A PHONE CALL regarding the PP problem long ago.
IT IS THAT PHONE CALL, NOT A FORUM ENTRY, for which I am awaiting a reply.

SEE 2 and 3 above.

I humbly submit: if you're going to yammer on somebody, get your facts straight first.

And now a relatively minor irritation has become a Royal PITA, thank you very much.

About "you deserve what you get", tell me, you who have held your tongue long enough, what does a long time owner/user/buyer of ShopSmith products DESERVE when he receives delivery of a Dangerous machine? And what response to a phone call to CS requesting Help for a real problem does he Deserve? Is it "he'll call you back" followed by four months of silence?

You Have Nerve.
I'll grant you that.

[keakap]

Good morning all...
I have held my tongue long enough. There things that many of you do not seem to understand the purpose of this Shopsmith Forum. I want to clear up a couple of items about the Forum and then I will address the concerns regarding the posting "Danger!" about the PowerPro Headstock..

So much for clearing up anything.

Your experience is your experience. When talking about someone else's experience, kindly keep your comments to your self.

The table saw blade and bandsaw combo is Not the only source of trouble. Other combos include multiple devices used for years and in many cases RECOMMENDED by SS or PTWWFE (ex.: jointer and table saw). And as I've indicated I tighten what needs tightening to the max- to the level of pain- and I have Never before come to the end of an operation with any part loose that was tight when I started.

But to remain fair I have not, as I have said, checked the internal PP motor pulley setscrew, and will do so, Again as I have said.

What I HAVE checked is the documentation that preceded and accompanied the PP and have found NO mention, nor should I reasonably have expected any, of going around the device taking it apart and re(assuming "re" now) checking internal parts and pieces for proper construction and installation. I already paid for that service, I thought.

Finally, it was ShopSmith, not my own observations nor those of the fine contributors here, that convinced me- -during actual VOICE communication--
that there was, is, indeed a real problem with the Power Pro that REQUIRES SS intervention to REPAIR.

If noone's yet noticed, I may as well admit it-- I have low tolerance for people who consider their knowledge of things to be ALL knowledge of things.
BS.

[keakap]

I wonder if Jim has ever had to work with Dave? You know, the one who "does not have time to read e-mails".

AIUI, Keakap 'called' CS....

[[And you understand correctly]]

FWIW I am encouraged by Jim (Mc?) taking time to address the 'issues'.

I agree, wholeheartedly.
(I cheer the act if not the content,)

[wiredone]

So much for clearing up anything.

Your experience is your experience. When talking about someone else's experience, kindly keep your comments to your self.

The table saw blade and bandsaw combo is Not the only source of trouble. Other combos include multiple devices used for years and in many cases RECOMMENDED by SS or PTWWFE (ex.: jointer and table saw). And as I've indicated I tighten what needs tightening to the max- to the level of pain- and I have Never before come to the end of an operation with any part loose that was tight when I started.

But to remain fair I have not, as I have said, checked the internal PP motor pulley setscrew, and will do so, Again as I have said.

What I HAVE checked is the documentation that preceded and accompanied the PP and have found NO mention, nor should I reasonably have expected any, of going around the device taking it apart and re(assuming "re" now) checking internal parts and pieces for proper construction and installation. I already paid for that service, I thought.

Finally, it was ShopSmith, not my own observations nor those of the fine contributors here, that convinced me- -during actual VOICE communication--
that there was, is, indeed a real problem with the Power Pro that REQUIRES SS intervention to REPAIR.

If noone's yet noticed, I may as well admit it-- I have low tolerance for people who consider their knowledge of things to be ALL knowledge of things.
BS.

Bravo and well said. I cannot tolerate one who pontificates.

[robinson46176]

It is pretty obvious without his having said so that Jim works in engineering and not in public relations or sales.

Maybe the whole process could benefit from a do-over.


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[dusty]

REMEMBER, the PowerPro is Jim McCann's baby.

[JPG]

REMEMBER, the PowerPro is Jim McCann's baby.

And a Damn pretty one as well!:)

And the obstacles(multiple functions/combinations) were/are quite significant. A different control algorithm needed to be developed for 'each'.

I am sure that is why he was so 'testy' with regard to the saw blade/band saw combination(although IMHO that is not a far fetched use-I said nothing about safety there!). Simply put, he did not consider that as a 'recommended' application and did not design around it.

His 'tighten' everything comments were I am sure the result of problems that became apparent post release to the purchasing public(that includes Charlese;)). What I do not unnerstan is why CS did not pass that to Keakap when he called.

Also I think that the production folks need a lesson on tightening set screws as well(actually more so). The Yuba lesson apparently was not absorbed sufficiently(going by my own experience as well as Farmer's).

I wonder how many threads in this forum Jim has gandered at. Not enough IMHO! This place is an eye opener, not merely a bitching post.

[charlese]

Wow, Guys! Let's not allow ourselves to get too testy! I viewed Jim's post as his bit of frustration and his view of problems using the bandsaw with the PowerPro. I've actually seen rants from some of us (myself included) that make Jim's comments (and help) pale in comparison.

I can certainly understand keakap's frustrations - been there - had those. However, I can presently look at the frustrations of bandsawing with the PowerPro somewhat lighter than keakap as I have solved most of the problems. I say most, because the eccentric tubes are still a little loose. These tubes are interchangeable with belt sander tubes, but those are also wiggly in the headrest. To me the PowerPro is such a nifty piece of machinery, it is worth the trouble to get some good smooth bandsawing.

Jim confirmed what I have found necessary for smooth(er) bandsaw operation, and offered good safety advice about leaving the saw blade attached. At one time, before finding the motor pulley loose, I actually had a sanding disk come off of the spindle and do an interesting spin between the way tubes. Yes, I am absolutely positive the sanding disk's set screw was firmly attached to the flat of the spindle. I assigned the vibrations set up by the loose motor pulley set screw for loosening the set screw in the disk.

For the past week I have been using the jointer with a saw blade connected and set in a zero clearance insert. No slowing problems (yet). No arbor loosening. Probably because the jointer offers more torque to a stopping PowerPro.

Another super nice thing I got from Jim's post is that the difficultys of bandsawing are certainly not unique to my machine and a few others. Man! -- I actually feel good that those issues are close to "normal". Since I do a lot of bandsawing - I will continue to work on these problems and report as changes are made that make a difference.

[charlese]

But to remain fair I have not, as I have said, checked the internal PP motor pulley setscrew, and will do so, Again as I have said.
BS.

Thought I'd mention the set screw in the motor pulley needs a 2.5mm Allen wrench. The screw is hard to find as it is down inside the edge of the pulley. Need to rotate the pulley until you can fit the wrench into the set screw.

There is also a key on the shaft.

[keakap]

So now I'm wondering what those people who got their units "fixed" with "Wes's Sessions" reprogramming the PP are gonna do. Has someone told them that there is a mini set screw down in the bowels of the PP headstock that is loose?

(Or did the program patch tighten the screw?)

;-)

By the way, I followed instructions and precautions given me.

Think about that!

What if I hadn't?