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[keakap]

I can register to vote online and free in about 2 minutes. Getting a DL or ID card requires at least 5 hours of standing in line.

I believe that for every instance of fraud, there are at least 10 regular citizens that the law prevents from voting.

So, what could solutions be that would eliminate the issues with an ID requirement and still help eliminate fraud in our election system? Can anyone cite any statistics of actual voter fraud? How prevalent is it? I know there are millions of dead people still on the rolls, but does anyone actually show up and pretend to be them?

This is a very good example of the faults in the anti-ID (misnamed) argument.
1) "at least 5 hours"-- said as if this were a proven condition in ALL cases, which is silly]
2) "believe that..." (10 for 1 kept-from vs fraud); do I hear the general populace saying "well if he believes it that's all we need!"?
3) cite stats of fraud? YES.
4) how prevalent? Enough in some cases to change elections. Proven.
5) dead people proxies show up? YES. Proven.

6) and the biggest problem with all of these is that they have ALL been thrown out many times before. In all of that there is not one good, real, true, reasonable reason for claiming anyone other than Democrats are trying to stifle any votes, unless, of course, someone can show valid cause to think that Republicans were behind the very real actions taken by the Obama IRS, the Obama FEC and the Obama SEC (& goodness knows who else to come!) to stifle conservative voting.

How many million Democrat votes would have been stifled had the IRS et al shut down HUNDREDS of their hi-tech "get out the vote" machines, which no one disputes GOT OBAMA ELECTED, like those Obama regime thugs did to Reps?

Can we say "smoke screen"? All the noise and blather about a dozen or so inconvenienced voters (who weren't going to vote anyway) across the country, to hide the fact that the last election was FIXED.
TOO.

BTW, I hope it was quite clear that I directed the commentary at NO ONE, but rather, in Fact, at "the faults of the anti-ID ...argument".

[keakap]

Guys, I hate to admit it, but the only news source I trust these days, is Glenn Beck's "the Blaze."

They really don't care who's ox they gore, Democrat OR Republican. In fact, he's worse on Republicans....steve

L O L ! Glenn Beck. Almost forgot about him.
For sheer comedic entertainment value it was hard to beat the old GB show on Fox. He would report something and the Hard Left- including the Nabob of Narcissism hisownself, Obama- would attack unmercifully, at the rate of 17.6 gazillion lies per fortnight squared, all in sync of course.
At which point Beck on subsequent shows would air the complaints and then air what started it all. But he wouldn't say "obama said" or Holder said" and so froth. He would play the VIDEO-- the whole dang thing if needed to maintain context. His argument was REALITY! "I'll put it up there, You decide."

And the result of Beck actually having the GALL to cite the truth? He was then PICKING ON Osama and the rest! Hate monger! Racist! Bigot! Wants America to fail! (oh, wait a minute, that was Rush.)

F U N N Y !!!!

[keakap]

I thought this discussion had died a merciful death. But it keeps getting resurrected. If it continues, I'll be sure to vote for relaxed marijuana laws for the state of VA, so I can enjoy some of that quality Hawaiian reality-distorting stuff Keakap must be enjoying.

LOL! In Hawaii one doesn't need extra "stuff" to observe distorted reality. The only way to know what it's like is to live it.
This is possibly and probably the worst state in the country. For many reasons. Since statehood Hawaii has ALWAYS been run by Demoncrats. Let me put that another way, since I hate using absolutes: the State of Hawaii has NEVER been run by other than Democrats.
Yet when the list of bads is even broached in conversation, who gets blamed by gummint?
You got it-- Republicans! [Yes, there actually is ONE in the senate.]

And it gets worse from there.

The State is basically run (highest taxes, nearly bankrupt btw) by two Major Organized Crime Families- the Honolulu City Council and the State Legislature.

a`ole pakalolo, bro!

[keakap]

So many posts to himself without reply ...

i.e. zero.

wow. can't even be honest about that.

[keakap]

... (Wish I was there, again!) Oh, if you ever run into Rick Hamada, say hi to him for me.

steve

I've not met Rick Hamada, tho I have talked with him from time to time on his radio show. If I ever do meet him I will say hi for you.
Rick is one of the rare voices in Hawaii that is not mired in progressivism, or worse.

Btw, when you do return to Oahu, Waikiki remains barely worth the time it takes to drive through it. (That purse is now $32,000)
;-)

[skou]

LOL! In Hawaii one doesn't need extra "stuff" to observe distorted reality. The only way to know what it's like is to live it.
This is possibly and probably the worst state in the country. For many reasons. Since statehood Hawaii has ALWAYS been run by Demoncrats. Let me put that another way, since I hate using absolutes: the State of Hawaii has NEVER been run by other than Democrats.
Yet when the list of bads is even broached in conversation, who gets blamed by gummint?
You got it-- Republicans! [Yes, there actually is ONE in the senate.]

And it gets worse from there.

The State is basically run (highest taxes, nearly bankrupt btw) by two Major Organized Crime Families- the Honolulu City Council and the State Legislature.

a`ole pakalolo, bro!

Seems to me that Linda Lingle is a Republican. Liberal Republican, but certainly NOT a Democrat

Don't get me started on your new Governor. He still have that ponytail?

You forgot the 3rd organized family. KSBE.

steve

[keakap]

[quote="JPG40504"]Reality distorting?

Hyperbole maybe, and a few linguistic 'bends'.

Runs the risk of total misunderstanding by less linguisticly attuned audience.]

true, true, true.

and about that 'distorting',
Y'know, I always find it interesting when someone asserts himself as the only one who knows what someone else meant by something. (The "Interpret & Condemn" syndrome.) Like, who can really believe that Rush actually literally meant exactly what he says all the time. Funny how satire is only a viable tool for the likes of Bill Maher, aint it?
And the best part is watching the selection process-- what is declared absolute truth and what is "Oh, pooh pooh'd" depending on who said it and whatever "point" is trying to be made...

It goes back many many years, but I do remember, and I do miss honest conversations.
Glad you're here, btw.

;-)

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[quote="keakap"] . . .
Glad you're here, btw.

]

As am I!:)



I 'Assume' tis a better alternative than not being.

[keakap]

Seems to me that Linda Lingle is a Republican. Liberal Republican, but certainly NOT a Democrat

You forgot the 3rd organized family. KSBE.

steve

Indeed Lingle is a Republican, but a Repub Governor with a 95% Democrat gummint isn't whatcha call "running" the State. Not even close.
That's why I was careful to say 'run' the gummint, not the usual 'control' whatever.
Watching the Lingle gov'norship was easy- she proposed, the Demo organized crime family known as Legislature threw it out. That Demo Leg passed some horrible (almost redundant) bill, she vetoed, they overrode. And the p'd off populace (who voted in the Demo Leg) blamed the Repub.
Same old. These people are stoopid! (And Bill O'Reilly was Right!)

KSBE is an interesting case, not forgotten. If you can imagine an organized crime fambly actually going straight. (sorta). Many changes in that arena, for the good.

No, it's all Demo, all the time, and there's very little about it that's good. You could read about some of the stuff that goes on here and you'd be completely justified in Not believing a word of it. Ya gotta be here and see it first hand. (And yes, the local Main 'news'paper does, indeed, in fact, boldly and provably, LIE.

Gov'nr Abercrummy? Just the mere fact that he got elected says all ya need to know on that score.

But in all that, knowing it is a lost cause allows one to say "It's Funny!"

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Sheesh! I thought us Mountain Williams had problems!
















Trouble in Paradise indeed!;)