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algale wrote:IMO Fine hasn't done anything wrong. Giving fair warning that he was going to bid on an item on ebay was more than was required and I didn't read his first post as goading Bill. If he changes his mind about how much to bid, or if to bid, that's his prerogative too.

Bill is a great guy and I has no reason to assume Fine isn't either. He probably doesn't know Bill's backstory and even if he did I still see nothing wrong. Some of the greetings he has received were IMO inappropriately hostile.

I hope you will stick around Fine. There are a lot of good people on this forum who are knowledgeable and friendly.

Thank you your statement was greatly appreciated, but under the circumstances I feel it is best to just move on. I will call shopsmith next Monday and buy the band saw new (the wife was wanting me to do that anyway as a Christmas gift .) And jointers are always on Ebay. Anyway thank you again Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas...................

fine wrote:I don't know any of you people and at this point I don't want to! That would likely be a loss for both we and thee As far as my attitude is concerned lets look at it from my side of the computer screen. Too have anybody ask me not to go after a product that is to sell on a open auction just so they can purchase it cheaper and sell for a profit is in My opinion uncalled for. You misinterpret Bill's 'request'. It was more of a statement of his intentions(as was yours) Indeed I am sorry for his bad health. I wish things like cancer came upon no one. FWIW, his health issue is not cancer! And if you took my statement as goading him then that was taken or said wrongly. I took "sorry about your luck" as goading. For that I do apologize. Accepted(by me) I was just letting it be known I to am interested and let the game begin. Reasonable intention Do you really thing Bill would sell me the band saw and jointer if I didn't bid against him or would he sell it to one of his buddies here on this forum? Bill would sell it to whomever first expressed an interest(that is how honorable folks operate) Someone said and I agree with the statement I have no history here. Not in and of itself pertinent But I am in need of a band saw and jointer. And to purchase those 2 items and get all the other stuff basically for free only made good sense to me. But of course! But with all that said I am finished with this. Maybe - a common 'idle threat' You people can think what you want and say what you want. Rest assured we do and will]considering the source, that is likely true[/B] In my way of thinking every one is equal, newbie or not. Yep everyone has an equal opportunity to acquire hoof and mouth disease

You may never read this(but I think you more likely will), so, we old farts have been around long enough to 'understand' how 'we' can make mistakes and say things in a manner that hindsight reveals was 'unsuitable' for the situation at hand. We also have learned to understand how to overlook(long term), such shenanigans, but do respond to them short term.
It is the observation of one repeating mistakes made ourselves that precipitates reaction(sometimes quite bluntly), but the intention is one of trying to help others learn from our own less than 'nice' past experiences.

No one likes to have such things 'pointed out', but an open mind will cause wisdom(eventually'). I am still waiting for that day!;)


Happy Thanksgiving, and Good Luck with the Clermont thingie!

fine wrote:Thank you your statement was greatly appreciated, but under the circumstances I feel it is best to just move on. I will call shopsmith next Monday and buy the band saw new (the wife was wanting me to do that anyway as a Christmas gift .) And jointers are always on Ebay. Anyway thank you again Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas...................

I disagree! Think of forgiveness as a two way street!]I[/B] have spoken 'out of turn' in the past!:rolleyes:

joshh wrote:Well, that's the drawback to text only. Since we don't have the posters true intent we infer whatever our personal biases lead us to. He could have easily had a smile on his face while typing that and mean nothing harmful, I don't know.

I looked at a post, saw that it was the first and only, and read it as:
"Hey, thanks for posting about a great deal. I'll use your forums to find said deal, then create an account with the name 'fine' (as if I'm angry someone else wants it) and post about how I'm going to steal it at the last second... Sucks to be you!"

My inference was obviously wrong based on fine's responses. Maybe there is a way to still flip this around... Bidding against each other hurts you both and whoever gets it will pay hundreds more than necessary.

Josh, (and the rest of you) after re-reading this whole thread, and "fine"s posts, (twice) I think you called it exactly. ... "how I'm going to steal it at the last second. Sucks to be you!"

However, knowing what I do about Bill, if he could turn half of the stuff at no profit, (or, even a small loss) He most likely would. On the other hand, you 2 could get in a bidding war, and the seller is the only winner.

After Moderating a couple Fora, and being a senior member at a few more, I can pretty much spot out the malcontents, showing up with a chip (or most of the tree) on their shoulder, and "fine" fits the bill.

Bill, my offer still stands. You need (want) the money, let me know! Heaven knows, you've "paid it forward" enough!

steve

skou wrote:Josh, (and the rest of you) after re-reading this whole thread, and "fine"s posts, (twice) I think you called it exactly. ... "how I'm going to steal it at the last second. Sucks to be you!"

However, knowing what I do about Bill, if he could turn half of the stuff at no profit, (or, even a small loss) He most likely would. On the other hand, you 2 could get in a bidding war, and the seller is the only winner.

After Moderating a couple Fora, and being a senior member at a few more, I can pretty much spot out the malcontents, showing up with a chip (or most of the tree) on their shoulder, and "fine" fits the bill.

Bill, my offer still stands. You need (want) the money, let me know! Heaven knows, you've "paid it forward" enough!

steve

I will not take part in any kind of Ebay bidding war. I bid what I feel is a maximum price that I consider fair for me and if I get outbid, so be it. I have gotten outbid on more than three quarters of the items for which I submitted Ebay bids. 95% lately. I only took Fine statements that he may want to bid againest me. No sweat to me. My asking for no bids was my kind of humor these days since I was close by and thought it might get a laugh. Oh well. Yes, I will happy to sell any of the items listed to anyone only after I test and insure they meet my standards for selling to customers. I take great pride in any product I offer. I am always looking for complete customer satifaction and will stand behind any thing I sell for the first year. I seriously doubt if any other Ebay seller offers this warranty. No one has needed this warranty for over a thousand Shopsmith parts and equipment for the past 10years. Shopsmiths are my great love and hobby, I am not really in a profit making business. Only enough to clear my expenses and labor so uncle does not get his cut. I have a storage shed full of Shopsmith stuff that does not met my testing requirements or standards. I will quite beating my drum for now. Thanks.

fine wrote:Thank you your statement was greatly appreciated, but under the circumstances I feel it is best to just move on. I will call shopsmith next Monday and buy the band saw new (the wife was wanting me to do that anyway as a Christmas gift .) And jointers are always on Ebay. Anyway thank you again Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas...................

Sorry about any misunderstanding. I sent you a PM hoping we might still be able to communicate with each other. Thanks.

The 520 went for $960.00. My $785 max bid got outbid by quite a bit. A third person appears to have snipe bidded at the end. So it goes. This is still a good deal for someone wanting to set up the 520 in their shop. I was only going to ask for less than $1000 for all the parts after I checked and tested them. No way I could have come out with extra money at this selling price. I do appreciate any notice of future Shopsmith buys in Florida.

billmayo wrote:The 520 went for $960.00. My $785 max bid got outbid by quite a bit. A third person appears to have snipe bidded at the end. So it goes. This is still a good deal for someone wanting to set up the 520 in their shop. I was only going to ask for less than $1000 for all the parts after I checked and tested them. No way I could have come out with extra money at this selling price. I do appreciate any notice of future Shopsmith buys in Florida.

Interesting bid history!

Last minute bidding - maybe.

Sniping - nope!

Futile bidding - yep!



FWIW if the bidder who bid $800 is you know who, he is neither a good 'sniper' nor a truthful individual.

If you know who won the auction, ditto.

My guess in looking at the bid history is that 5**d is "fine", who bid $800 ~14 minutes before the auction ended and then got nervous at made an $850 bid with ~7 minutes to spare. b**c then came along with ~45 sec to spare and bid something >the selling price ($960), at which point 5**d got an e-mail that he/she had been outbid and 5**d then got caught up in bidding fever in an attempt to win it back and made two more attempts with 25sec and 7 sec left by pacing bids of $900 and $950 respectively.

Lots of "rookie moves" in this auction history. Had it been a true snipe using a sniping service, the bid(s) would have been place with ~5 sec remaining. Instead, this was these two bidders watching the clock. One mistake is bidding svn numbers (i.e. $800, $900, $950) - if you're willing to pay $800, it is wise to loo at the bid increment (in this case it looks like it was $10) and make a bid that is one increment and change higher than what you want to pay (i.e. $812.50) - this way you win over the person who does what 5**d did, as well as someone who bumps it up one more bid increment. Also, if you want to wait and bid at the 11th hour, it's smarter to wait until the final seconds and not place your bid with 14min, 7min, or even 45 sec to spare…just giving others a change to bid it up from there. Set the price you're willing to pay, place you bid in the last <10 sec and hope for the best and you're most likely (if you win) to get the item with the least amount of bidding up from others.

Anyway, always interesting to diagnose the psychology of an E-Bay auction and see how easily some people can throw away more $$ than they needed to spend. In this case 5**d was being impulsive by placing multiple bids beyond what he/she seemingly wanted to pay for the item ($800), but the real foolish move was b**c bidding with 45 sec left…he/she could have had this item likely for ~$860 had they placed their last minute bid as a last second bid instead, rather than giving 5**d enough time to place two more bids and drive the price up.

I say drive the prices up! So when I go to sell my stuff I will be able to get some of my money back out of the machine.