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Add me to the list of bold doesn't go away after reading. I have (for lack of a better explanation) blamed that on a 'full cookie jar'.

Yes the entire list is purged at about 0:00 UST. The bold ones disappear with the read ones.

IIRC rebooting restores the proper auto 'de bolding'. Of course that also dumps firefox, but those sessions are restored the first time firefox is loaded.

I think one reason for confusion in this thread is inconsistent terminology(my self included due to ignorance of the correct terminology).

So I raise the question of what is correct terminology?

When you cause a browser to become running, is that loading the program?

When you cause another iteration of the browser to run, is that loading another what?

Any of these 'loaded' browsers (as well as other programs) can be either hidden from view or visible on screen through a 'window'.

Tabs are created when a browser jumps from one web site to another while retaining at least something of the original web site session.

The back arrow(upper left not to be confused with a backspace) shifts the window back in time to screens visible previously.


As an additional question, one of my frustrations is when expounding on some obscure thing in a reply I wander off to research something and come back(google something etc.) and the reply has suffered a labotomy(totally blank:mad:). Any way to avoid that? I presume it is 'cache' related.

beeg wrote:Nope, knot at all. If ya go to the top of the browser, where the site name is. At the end of that box is a X, click on that and it will open a new blank tab within in your browser window.

You mean the [+]?

JPG40504 wrote:You mean the [+]?

YES I do. I had my head tilted to the left when I looked at it.

JPG40504 wrote:Add me to the list of bold doesn't go away after reading. I have (for lack of a better explanation) blamed that on a 'full cookie jar'.

Interesting way of looking at it, but it doesn't quite work like that.

JPG40504 wrote:Yes the entire list is purged at about 0:00 UST. The bold ones disappear with the read ones.

It happens (to me anyway) more than once per day. At least twice. So... maybe at 0:00 and at 12:00 Zulu (or whatever time zone the server is set to)?

JPG40504 wrote:When you cause a browser to become running, is that loading the program?

Yep.

JPG40504 wrote:When you cause another iteration of the browser to run, is that loading another what?

It really depends on how the software is written. It could be another "view" of the same instance of the program. That's how Firefox works. All windows and tabs operate under a single Firefox process. Or it could be a completely separate and independent instance of the software where one knows nothing about what's happening with the other and as far as the computer knows it's two different pieces of software running. Most modern software (including web browsers) behaves in the former manner, but there are many exceptions.

JPG40504 wrote:Any of these 'loaded' browsers (as well as other programs) can be either hidden from view or visible on screen through a 'window'.

It's not quite accurate to say "hidden." It's more accurate to say "minimized." Hidden would imply that there is no button for the program on the task bar, there's no icon for it in the status area (by the clock), or any other indication that the computer is installed and running, but it is. The "box" they occupy on the screen is correctly called a window.

JPG40504 wrote:Tabs are created when a browser jumps from one web site to another while retaining at least something of the original web site session.

I'm not quite following that explanation. A tab is sort of a "window within a window." This is the top of my Firefox window:

[ATTACH]24176[/ATTACH]

Under the Firefox menu button in the upper left, and the Minimize/Restore/Close (_ [] X) buttons in the upper right, are the tabs. A single Firefox window with multiple web pages open. Each one independent of the others. The browser manages all of these connections very well and retains the full web site session, not just part of it. Sometimes a link will open in a new tab, sometimes in the same tab depending on how the link is coded on the web page. Or you can force the browser to open a link in a new tab (or new full window) by right-clicking on a link and choosing that option.

JPG40504 wrote:The back arrow(upper left not to be confused with a backspace) shifts the window back in time to screens visible previously.

Correct. (Although the backspace key on the keyboard can act as a keyboard shortcut for the back arrow functionality in the browser.) If that page is still in the browser's cache, and depending on other factors, the browser will typically load that page from the cache instead of refreshing it from the web server.

JPG40504 wrote:As an additional question, one of my frustrations is when expounding on some obscure thing in a reply I wander off to research something and come back(google something etc.) and the reply has suffered a labotomy(totally blank:mad:). Any way to avoid that? I presume it is 'cache' related.

If you're using the same tab, leaving the page you're on and going to another page to do research, then going "back" using the back button in the browser to get back to the original page, then any text you typed in a text box has a good chance of being gone. If the browser happened to cache what you typed in that box and restores it, then great. But I wouldn't count on that happening. When it does, consider yourself lucky. If you're in the middle of something like that, it's best to open a new tab/window and keep the tab you're working in intact. If you're doing that and you're still losing what you've typed, then I'm not sure what is happening.

heathicus wrote:Interesting way of looking at it, but it doesn't quite work like that.



It happens (to me anyway) more than once per day. At least twice. So... maybe at 0:00 and at 12:00 Zulu (or whatever time zone the server is set to)?



Yep.



It really depends on how the software is written. It could be another "view" of the same instance of the program. That's how Firefox works. All windows and tabs operate under a single Firefox process. Or it could be a completely separate and independent instance of the software where one knows nothing about what's happening with the other and as far as the computer knows it's two different pieces of software running. Most modern software (including web browsers) behaves in the former manner, but there are many exceptions.



It's not quite accurate to say "hidden." It's more accurate to say "minimized." Hidden would imply that there is no button for the program on the task bar, there's no icon for it in the status area (by the clock), or any other indication that the computer is installed and running, but it is. The "box" they occupy on the screen is correctly called a window.



I'm not quite following that explanation. A tab is sort of a "window within a window." This is the top of my Firefox window:

[ATTACH]24176[/ATTACH]

Under the Firefox menu button in the upper left, and the Minimize/Restore/Close (_ [] X) buttons in the upper right, are the tabs. A single Firefox window with multiple web pages open. Each one independent of the others. The browser manages all of these connections very well and retains the full web site session, not just part of it. Sometimes a link will open in a new tab, sometimes in the same tab depending on how the link is coded on the web page. Or you can force the browser to open a link in a new tab (or new full window) by right-clicking on a link and choosing that option.



Correct. (Although the backspace key on the keyboard can act as a keyboard shortcut for the back arrow functionality in the browser.) If that page is still in the browser's cache, and depending on other factors, the browser will typically load that page from the cache instead of refreshing it from the web server.



If you're using the same tab, leaving the page you're on and going to another page to do research, then going "back" using the back button in the browser to get back to the original page, then any text you typed in a text box has a good chance of being gone. If the browser happened to cache what you typed in that box and restores it, then great. But I wouldn't count on that happening. When it does, consider yourself lucky. If you're in the middle of something like that, it's best to open a new tab/window and keep the tab you're working in intact. If you're doing that and you're still losing what you've typed, then I'm not sure what is happening.

Thank You! You did what I hoped you would do!:)

dusty wrote: I have since tried closing the browser completely and then come back in to the SS site. It seems to perform differently but I still find posts that I have read are highlighted (indicating not having been read). I have not delayed return to the site for any extended period.

I was rereading my way through this thread to see if I might catch something I&#8217]within a thread[/I] that you haven’t yet read.

If you return to the forum main page and see the thread highlighted it should basically be telling you that something has been posted to the thread while you were away or, in the case we’re poking at here, during the short period it’d taken you to move from that thread to the main page or another thread.

That said, I have seen the threads that I’d just read highlighted and, more often than not, when I reopen the thread there’re no new posts added to the threaded. (Sometimes there are, but we’re not talking about those times.)

My solution to this, as I’ve said before, is to refresh the browser window at any point. Highlighted threads that I have read, and that contain no new posts since my last visit to the thread, will then show themselves as such.

What exactly is happening to Dusty I’m not sure. I’m a MAC user.

BTW …

Sometimes the new post that came while I was away is the post that I’d put up just before I left the thread.

Am I enjoying this paradox? … maybe.

I don't know what I have done but obviously I have changed something. The READ/UNREAD issue has changed in that once I have read a post it does not come back HIGHLIGHTED (indicating UNREAD) unless I transition to another website and then return to the Shopsmith site.

I have also learned that I can pin web sites onto my tool bar but in doing this I now have a question. When I click on a site that has been pinned, it connects immediately. Does that mean that it has really been operating in the background and has really not been disconnected?

dusty wrote:I don't know what I have done but obviously I have changed something. The READ/UNREAD issue has changed in that once I have read a post it does not come back HIGHLIGHTED (indicating UNREAD) unless I transition to another website and then return to the Shopsmith site.

I have also learned that I can pin web sites onto my tool bar but in doing this I now have a question. When I click on a site that has been pinned, it connects immediately. Does that mean that it has really been operating in the background and has really not been disconnected?

How do you 'pin' to a tool bar?

Are you referring to the task bar?

IIUC, you pin to the task bar by clicking on [-] when the window is opened. I assume you are referring to pinning the current browser window that is at a different web site.

All things sent to the task bar are running in the background.

Finally 'normally' the task bar is at the bottom of the screen and also contains the start and possibly other icons. I say normally since it can be relocated to any of the 4 edges.

JPG40504 wrote:
As an additional question, one of my frustrations is when expounding on some obscure thing in a reply I wander off to research something and come back(google something etc.) and the reply has suffered a lobotomy (totally blank:mad:). Any way to avoid that? I presume it is 'cache' related.

Try this trick that my daughter taught me.

When you select Quote or Post Reply, instead of right clicking(:oshould read left clicking), click the scroll wheel on the mouse .

This will open Reply to Thread in a new tab and you can do you research in the original tab without loosing the reply text, makes it easy to cut and paste from one page to another too.

This is useful anytime you want to follow a link (tangent) but don't want to loose your original place.

I run Firefox under Ubuntu on my PC and Firefox under Windows 7 starter on my notebook. I just tried clicking the scroll wheel in (gag) Internet Explorer and it works there also.