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Ed in Tampa wrote:

algale wrote:

Ed wrote:
I was not criticizing the Shopsmith in any form or fashion. I would never compare a Shopsmith to any saw I mentioned other than price. By algale: There you go again!

There I go again? How so? Again I fail to see your logic.

I don't think my explaining logic to you again is going to help any.

My there you again comment referred to your oft repeated comments about price. Maybe instead of comparing the new Mark 7's price to the prices of those table saws, you should compare it to the price of the Nova DVR lathes? And then take into account what else comes with the Shopsmith that doesn't come with the Nova?

algale wrote:
My there you again comment referred to your oft repeated comments about price. Maybe instead of comparing the new Mark 7's price to the prices of those table saws, you should compare it to the price of the Nova DVR lathes? And then take into account what else comes with the Shopsmith that doesn't come with the Nova?

I guess if one was crazy enough ... Let me rephrase this. There is no denying the Nova DVR lathe is expensive but I'm of the opinion there are as good lathes at much lower prices. Also Nova DVR lathes are often heavily discounted. I have seen the whole lathe priced at or less than the power pro complete headstock.

Then of course you would have a Nova lathe and not a SS. What fun is that ?
Paul

OK, the Shopsmith tool is an AWESOME lathe,
a REAL GOOD drill-press (and the horizontal one is better than
the vertical one, just because of the rarity) a GREAT disc sander.
(Ever seen a disc sander that sands to an exact length?)

But, at least in my Model 10 stuff, a VERY WEAK table saw.

And, the later versions have not advanced from the basic
design. We've got a tilting table, not a tilting arbor.

Yes, we can RIP an angle, but can't crosscut an angle.
(Try to rip an angle on a "normal" table saw!)

4 out of 5, GREAT. Get a table saw!

(Oh, if you DO need to rip an angle, you've got
ALL the tools you need.)

steve

skou wrote:OK, the Shopsmith tool is an AWESOME lathe,
a REAL GOOD drill-press (and the horizontal one is better than
the vertical one, just because of the rarity) a GREAT disc sander.
(Ever seen a disc sander that sands to an exact length?)

But, at least in my Model 10 stuff, a VERY WEAK table saw.

And, the later versions have not advanced from the basic
design. We've got a tilting table, not a tilting arbor.

Yes, we can RIP an angle, but can't crosscut an angle.
(Try to rip an angle on a "normal" table saw!)

4 out of 5, GREAT. Get a table saw!

(Oh, if you DO need to rip an angle, you've got
ALL the tools you need.)

steve

???

skou wrote:OK, the Shopsmith tool is an AWESOME lathe,
a REAL GOOD drill-press (and the horizontal one is better than
the vertical one, just because of the rarity) a GREAT disc sander.
(Ever seen a disc sander that sands to an exact length?)

But, at least in my Model 10 stuff, a VERY WEAK table saw.

And, the later versions have not advanced from the basic
design. We've got a tilting table, not a tilting arbor.

Yes, we can RIP an angle, but can't crosscut an angle.
(Try to rip an angle on a "normal" table saw!)

4 out of 5, GREAT. Get a table saw!

(Oh, if you DO need to rip an angle, you've got
ALL the tools you need.)

steve

Do you mean try to cross cut a bevel (or compound angle)? The 520 does both. I had assumed the Model 10s can too.

masonsailor2 wrote:Then of course you would have a Nova lathe and not a SS. What fun is that ?
Paul

To me it is no fun? But that was not the point! The point was the cost of the Power Pro headstock is nearly the same price of the Nova DVR lathe. It is the same technology. To me this proves the SS price is $300 to $500 too high

In the hay day of modern Shopsmith the Mark V model 500 costs less than equal quality,equal ability standalone machines. With the advantage that SS gave you fantastic accuracy on repetive operations. Example you could cut and finish sand a miter with the same setup.

Then the world moved on and through production strides were able to offer products that surpassed SS for less than Shopsmith.

Today Shopsmith has one advantage SPACE, but to get that you have to give up the fact that a standalone saw is better than Shopsmith in saw mode. That said to the average homeowner not in production mode that means little. And when you look at all the capabilities of the SS and have space concerns the SS is a good choice.

That fact is borne out by how many new SS users we see on this site. The problem is most refuse to pay SS price and buy used machines at 1/10 the cost of a new SS.

The question then becomes where did all these old machines come from? I believe most were impluse sales from live demo's. However today's costs far exceed the price limit of most people's impluse buys.

That is why Shopsmith has to sell under a new paradigm. I think Nick understood this and tried to shift SS's paradigm. But it was too little to late. However I think if SS offered video saw dust sessions like Nick had started where viewers could ask questions online their business would take a marked turn around.

Thunk! That is me jumping off my soapbox! And everyone cheered! Not because of what I said but because I was done.

Happy New Year!

algale wrote:

skou wrote:OK, the Shopsmith tool is an AWESOME lathe,
a REAL GOOD drill-press (and the horizontal one is better than
the vertical one, just because of the rarity) a GREAT disc sander.
(Ever seen a disc sander that sands to an exact length?)

But, at least in my Model 10 stuff, a VERY WEAK table saw.

And, the later versions have not advanced from the basic
design. We've got a tilting table, not a tilting arbor.

Yes, we can RIP an angle, but can't crosscut an angle.
(Try to rip an angle on a "normal" table saw!)

4 out of 5, GREAT. Get a table saw!

(Oh, if you DO need to rip an angle, you've got
ALL the tools you need.)

steve

Do you mean try to cross cut a bevel (or compound angle)? The 520 does both. I had assumed the Model 10s can too.

Al, let's say you want to put a 45 degree cross cut on the end of a 10 foot long 2X6.

That is just about impossible on a Shopsmith, unless you lift it half way up in drill-press
mode, and THAT is dangerous!

Same cut would be a piece of cake on a tilting-arbor table saw,

Now, if you want to put a 45 degree angle down the side of that same 2X6,
easier on the SS than the other table saw.

Make sense now?

steve

What would make sense is a RAS!