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Re: pocket screws

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:05 am
by RFGuy
Thanks Ed. Yeah, I definitely enjoyed this thread and appreciated all of the comments. It was definitely educational. Pocket screws are one of those areas where I just never ventured in a few decades of woodworking. Even though I have a Domino now, I probably will pick up a pocket hole jig sometime in the future just to check them out because of this thread. Of course, speaking of the whole hand tool only woodworking movement, you guys need to abandon your Kreg Pocket Hole Jigs and start doing them with a flared gimlet bit and brace as Shannon does in this video...just like they did in the 1800's! :D

Speaking of woodworking in buildings, like barns, that can last several hundred years....I have always been fascinated by timber framing. Veering off topic from pocket screws, but I really enjoyed the 2nd video below that discusses the differences between timber framed houses and modern 2x4 houses. Sad that we are losing a lot of the knowledge around some of these older building techniques. All around, a timber framed house looks to be superior IMHO.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWR_q4d8GoA[/youtube]


Re: pocket screws

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:11 am
by JPG
Why does the word 'restaurant' seem to quite often creep into thy posts Farmer? :D




Well I did it again(overlooked posts on a 'following page')! :o

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Re: pocket screws

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:13 am
by RFGuy
JPG wrote:
Well I did it again(overlooked posts on a 'following page')! :o

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Yeah, it is easy to do. I wish there was an easy way to see all new posts for the day or something like that

Re: pocket screws

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:41 pm
by rpd
RFGuy wrote:Yeah, it is easy to do. I wish there was an easy way to see all new posts for the day or something like that
This works for me to see all new posts. I have one (or sometimes more) tab in my browser (Firefox) that has the forum open all the time.
The page doesn't automatically update, so when I open the tab I click on "Board index" , which takes me to the main page and updates.
(note, I am using the Subsilver2 board style, so it will probably look a bit different on your screen.)
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The forums that have new posts that I haven't read yet have the first icon colored yellow. So I will click on (for example) Maintenance and Repair
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and here we can see that there are two threads that have new posts, again the first icon on those lines is colored yellow,
also note the little black arrow in front of the label for those threads. If you click on that arrow it will take you to the first post that you have not read in that post. :) (it's magic)
When you have finished reading that thread, do not use the browser back key as that will just reload the previous page from the cache on your computer and it won't be updated.
Rather click on "Board index » Main Woodworking Forum » Maintenance and Repair" to read the second thread, or on "Board Index" to go back to the main page.
When navigating this way, if I miss that there are more posts on the next page of a thread that I missed, it will flag that thread again as having new posts. :cool:

Re: pocket screws

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:08 pm
by robinson46176
JPG wrote:Why does the word 'restaurant' seem to quite often creep into thy posts Farmer? :D


I spend more time in restaurants than I do my shops... :rolleyes: :)


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Re: pocket screws

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:54 am
by RFGuy
Not to belabor the point on joint strength wrt pocket screws, but this video popped up this morning for me. I really hate how Google's YouTube search algorithm works. When I went looking for these videos, all I could find was two of them a few days ago. Now suddenly 3 year old videos related to this topic magically appear on YouTube for me. Anyway, in this video, pocket screws beat the Domino so I thought some of you might be interested to see that. What I find disappointing in all of these joint strength tests is that they all test two boards joined at a 90° angle then they attempt to pull them apart with a normal (orthogonal) stress. It's a useful test for example to test racking in a face frame cabinet, but it would be nice to also see some testing for shear stress or tensional stress. Shear stress, in particular, is a good example I can think of in the shop for pocket screws, e.g. a workbench top being pushed on relative to the base cabinet beneath it.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to the skill of the woodworker. No matter the joint selected, I am sure in skilled hands its execution will be good enough for the intended application. In unskilled hands, as sometimes seen on YouTube, joint x will fail before joint y....then on another day, joint y fails before x.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBcnUXWJEQ[/youtube]

Re: pocket screws

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:24 am
by Steele510
RFGuy wrote:
JPG wrote:
Well I did it again(overlooked posts on a 'following page')! :o

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Yeah, it is easy to do. I wish there was an easy way to see all new posts for the day or something like that
This link works well for me... New posts

If you then click the little orange folder itself, it will take you directly to the first unread item in that topic.
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Re: pocket screws

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:36 am
by RFGuy
Ron,

Thanks. What skin are you using to view the forum? I haven't added one, but maybe it is time to do so. I am just using the default Shopsmith one to view.

Steele510,

Thanks. I haven't used the New Posts link before...guess I should have tried that first. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Re: pocket screws

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:57 am
by rpd
RFGuy wrote:Ron,

Thanks. What skin are you using to view the forum? I haven't added one, but maybe it is time to do so. I am just using the default Shopsmith one to view.
I use Subsilver2, but I think the other styles should have similar similar options, the icons will be different and the names in the navigation bar may be different too.
What skin are you using?

Re: pocket screws

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:07 am
by JPG
Steele510 wrote:
RFGuy wrote:
JPG wrote:
Well I did it again(overlooked posts on a 'following page')! :o

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Yeah, it is easy to do. I wish there was an easy way to see all new posts for the day or something like that
This link works well for me... New posts

If you then click the little orange folder itself, it will take you directly to the first unread item in that topic.

New_posts.jpg


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I use "Unread Posts". Then 'assume' when I reach the bottom of the 'page' that that is the end of the thread. Bad assumption often(more pages exist).