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Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:38 am
by reible
ERLover wrote:Maybe just a typo?
JPG must be napping in his rocker to have miss that ;)
I was in CA at my brothers ranch a few years ago building a Pergola for him, 30 miles from the lumber yard in Stockton, I read the tape upside down/backwards, cut a critical/support beam 10" short, my bro sez can we just glue it on? It happens. Back to town to get another one.

Perhaps a read error on your part? No 5-5/8 anywhere I can see.

Ed

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:01 am
by ERLover
Ed, you said 5 5/8s,I said no looks like 5 3/8s others agree.

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:12 am
by ERLover
Ed in Tampa wrote:
reible wrote:
ERLover wrote:I dont know how you read a tape measure, but to me it looked like 5 3/8s not 5 5/8s instead of 5 1/2" :D
Good thing I caught it b4 JPG. :eek:
Thanks for all, will be building one off your design but using 5 1/2" ;)

Perhaps you need to check what you read. I was expecting 5-1/2 but the lumber as shown and noted in the text show that the piece was 5-3/8.... were did you get 5-5/8 out of this?????

Buckaroo Banzai: Hey, hey, hey, hey-now. Don't be mean; we don't have to be mean, cuz, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Ed
Boy am I glad you posted this I was going crazy trying to figure out what he was talking about. I saw 5 3/8. For the life of me I could not find any picture of a measurement that looked like 5 5/8
Not just me, that saw that!!!!! :cool:
Does that Chrysler Boat have Corinthian Leather interior or Valour? :eek:

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:27 am
by ERLover
A total misunderstanding on all parts here. :confused: :o
So you should now have your wood and be ready to get started. It is good idea to check the wood you have to make sure it is what you think it is size wise. When I measured the stock I have it was 5-3/8" rather then the 5-1/2" I was expecting. I went a redid the drawing working with the new number.

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:33 am
by ERLover
See the confusion?

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:40 am
by ERLover
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Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:11 pm
by reible
Well after the big distraction and no there is no 5-5/8 dimension in my text or in the drawings........ so I hope a fresh day will bring you fresh eyes.

Ed

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:48 pm
by reible
So it looks like the weather is not going to let me work outside today. So I went to work inside and that will have to make do.

I would have liked to give everything a light sanding but such as things are I'm going to assemble without that and catch what I can after assembly.

So now is time to put this thing together. I'm going to use nails and glue for the box and screws for the top and the back bracket. If you would gather use all screws that's fine. I would not use nails for the whole thing, especially the top and we will get into that later.
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Special note here. The green arrow is pointing at the bottom. Before putting this piece in note the curve (warp) it might have. It should match the warp of the trays in order to have the trays fit together with the bottom which is the floor of the last tray.

Weatherproof glue, galvanized nails are pretty much what you need and anything else is up to you, it is your bee house. I went ahead and pre-drilled for the nails, just didn't want to take a chance of messing it up and its pretty fast to do. I also drew lines and marked where I wanted the holes, just how I felt today but again not necessary.
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I started with the sides and hand held them and used my fingers to find the edges, if you want to use clamps that's fine too.

On the bottom there is a joint where it is end grain so I put glue on the end grain and let it soak for a short while then added more glue before putting it together and nailing. You could skip the glue and for that matter the nails but I went ahead and added them.
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The top is aligned flush with the sides and centered. I used some pocket screws because that is what I had that were 1-1/2" long and that is a good length. Other screws can be used but you will want something that you can loosen later on. This is how the trays are held in place, they will be a snug fit in the height I gave in the drawing because of the warp that is in the cheap wood we are using. If your wood was really flat or you post processed it to make it flat then you may have to add a thin scrap to the top of the stack to fill in the space and have the roof hold the trays in place.
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If you have too much warp you may have to do a little sanding to get the stack to fit, mine is quite tight but it fits. Since we did nothing to the warp you get what you get at this point. I would go after the crown on each of the trays until they fit.

Speaking of trays, we will now clean up after the routing operation. I started by using a nylon(?) brush (kind of like a stiff tooth brush feel).
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Blame the wood if it didn't come out very clean, the router bit should have done a good job but still you end up with gain issues from time to time. Any places or just for good measure I went at the grooves with a bit of sandpaper. Due to the size a pencil works as a good holder but so would a dowel.
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This brings us to the point where the case can get painted. The trays should be left raw or if you want to darken them with a torch that is nice too. This is one reason you want to be able to remove the trays, the second is that after use they slots need to be cleaned out and going back to a brush and sand paper may be needed.

I've also heard that birds might find this as a nice snack shop so some damage can happen from that and replacement trays might have to be made.

Not sure when I will start the painting, sounds like a wet week and I have some other things going on but I wasn't going to cover painting here anyway.

When you get yours done remember to post a picture here.
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Ed

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:59 am
by JPG
How come y'all decided to have the confusion/distraction party when I could not attend?

The second design drawing changed the assumed 5 1/2" to 5 3/8". The pix that started the confusion shows 5 1/2" rather than the altered design 5 3/8".
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I know not where Bob/Michael got 5 5/8"

Only 'inconsistancy' I see(and yes it jumped out at me when first seen) is the rip fence set to 5 1/2" after modifying the design to 5 3/8" because of the unexpected narrowness of the 1x6.

Re: Today in your shop (mason bee house anyone?)

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:05 pm
by reible
The width of the board changed to 5-3/8" but the cutoffs are still 5-1/2" long, see part "A". If you check back you can see that I'm setting up to cut across the board not a rip cut...... I changed the board width not the cross cut dimension.

Hope that is clear now.

Ed

JPG wrote:How come y'all decided to have the confusion/distraction party when I could not attend?

The second design drawing changed the assumed 5 1/2" to 5 3/8". The pix that started the confusion shows 5 1/2" rather than the altered design 5 3/8".
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I know not where Bob/Michael got 5 5/8"

Only 'inconsistancy' I see(and yes it jumped out at me when first seen) is the rip fence set to 5 1/2" after modifying the design to 5 3/8" because of the unexpected narrowness of the 1x6.