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markfive510 wrote:OKAY, Dave - I don't see sarcasm in my comments but I'll accept that. In the meantime I'll spend most of my forum time elsewhere. I've been living underground almost since I joined and maybe that is where I belong. My observations and opinions are rejected as criticism anyhow.

Your decision is most unwelcome: You should knot be "living underground". For me, I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I do knot have to agree with yours, and you do knot have to agree with mine. If I offer an opinion, and you do knot agree with it, it will knot hurt my feelings. Feel free to disagree]you[/I] say, they might respond with something that you will knot like. That is beyond your control. Some respond more vehemently then others. Please take your own advice: Do knot let the actions of others get under your skin. Be tolerant, let criticism roll off your shoulders. By letting someone else control whether or knot you do something (i.e., posting on these forums) puts them in power of you. Why let that happen? Does it really matter how someone responds to you? I just checked your profile. Were you including yourself in post 1 of this thread? To date, you have started exactly 5 threads. None of them were about wood working. I am oakay with that, but are you? I looked at the first sentence of each of your last 25 posts. None of them are about woodworking (actually producing something). Many of them are about the equipment; how to use or maintain it. There is nothing wrong with that. There are many posts and threads like that. I am sorry that these forums are knot what you think they should be, but it sure looks like your posts and threads are knot any different then the rest of them. If this seems like criticism to you, please accept my apologies; I am just stating my opinion. Now, go ahead and throw a punch my way, but be warned; I will duck!

A couple of 'things' I do not understand. 1) Why does someone think they are being 'criticized' when another disagrees with them? 2) Why do those who disagree feel the need to apologize for disagreeing? You may disagree with me all you want and I will not think you 'owe' me an apology. State something other than an opinion and I will think less of you. I will not think an apology is due me. You may say you are sorry you said something, but that is a declaration that you regret saying it. You may say you did not mean to inflict some harm upon me, but that is a declaration of non intent. The key here is to keep things other than facts and opinions out of the interaction. It is when we resort to other things to bolster our position or put down anothers that problems arise.

I am not a "woodworker" but really enjoy repairing and rebuilding Shopsmith equipment. I personally look forward to any opinion/feedback (I guess it is criticism to some people) on any post and/or technique that I or anyone else offered. I find there is always more than one way to accomplish a task (skin a cat). Most of my information (opinions) was determined by what worked or did not work for me at some time in the past. I am always looking for information, methods and techniques used to accomplish any task/project and will add this to my computer stored instructions/procedures/files to try next time. I find this Forum to be a excellant source of information for myself and check it every day.

billmayo wrote:
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I personally look forward to any opinion/feedback (I guess it is criticism to some people) on any post and/or technique that I or anyone else offered.

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I would call it (Correction/Guidance/Agreement)!:)

P.S. Add Education!

I still want to know what markfive510 expected reactions to be to what he posted when he opened this thread?

It has to be interpreted as either a properly worded question about why more people weren't getting into or doing woodworking. Or as a sarcastic remark about forum content.

In fact some people took it to be a valid question and offered what they felt were plausible reasons why there aren't more "new" woodworkers.

Others took it to be a sarcastic remark and either agreed, asked why he was being sarcastic, or offered defense that many do woodworking.

For Markfive510 to now be insulted, hurt, put off or what ever and suggest that he has been unfairly treated by people on the forum surprises me.

I like to know first what was this a poorly worded question? Or in fact a sarcastic remark about forum content.

If it was a sarcastic remark (which I believe it was) I would like Markfive510 to tell me what he expected the reaction of others to be to such a remark?
To me it seems only fair that if you stick your hand in a bee hive to expect to be stung.
Or is that being harsh?

Ed in Tampa wrote:I still want to know what markfive510 expected reactions to be to what he posted when he opened this thread?

It has to be interpreted as either a properly worded question about why more people weren't getting into or doing woodworking. Or as a sarcastic remark about forum content.

In fact some people took it to be a valid question and offered what they felt were plausible reasons why there aren't more "new" woodworkers.

Others took it to be a sarcastic remark and either agreed, asked why he was being sarcastic, or offered defense that many do woodworking.

For Markfive510 to now be insulted, hurt, put off or what ever and suggest that he has been unfairly treated by people on the forum surprises me.

I like to know first what was this a poorly worded question? Or in fact a sarcastic remark about forum content.

If it was a sarcastic remark (which I believe it was) I would like Markfive510 to tell me what he expected the reaction of others to be to such a remark?
To me it seems only fair that if you stick your hand in a bee hive to expect to be stung.
Or is that being harsh?

I'm sorry Ed but I think your jock strap may have shrunk.

Does Anyone Do Woodworking anymore? Certainly not like they used to.

There are about 100 ACTIVE members on this forum. Six, eight maybe ten have posted projects.

Does Anyone Do Woodworking anymore?

dusty wrote:I'm sorry Ed but I think your jock strap may have shrunk.

Why do you ask Dusty? Is it a little tight around your nose now?:D JUST KIDDING DUSTY!!! I love ya like a father and I've never even met you. Blame that horrible comeback on my wife. See, this is what happens when you marry a Puerto Rican princess born and raised in the Bronx. You have to learn quick comebacks!!

I posted some photos of projects and my shop way back in 2007. Wonder if they're still there. I'll do a search and find out.

dusty wrote:I'm sorry Ed but I think your jock strap may have shrunk.

Does Anyone Do Woodworking anymore? Certainly not like they used to.

There are about 100 ACTIVE members on this forum. Six, eight maybe ten have posted projects.

Does Anyone Do Woodworking anymore?

Dusty
I have no idea what your saying. I must be missing something. Markfive510 started this thread with the question does anyone do woodworking anymore. And states apparently not.

Now unless you know something I don't that appears to be a imcomplete question since this is a woodworking forum and we all do woodworking. So the assumption could be made that he is talking about the lack of new woodworkers.
Many that responded took his question in that light and answered giving reasons they think that perhaps our younger generation is not into woodworking.

The other way this question could be understood was as Markfive510 was asking a rhetorical question of a sarcastic nature. This is how I understood it.
I assumed he was complaining about the various social/political topics we at times stray off too. Many people made the same assumption and posted replies such as if you don't like what we are talking about there is other threads/forums.

When Markfive510 got those answers he acted almost surprized like what is everyone jumping on me for? Then he added that he always gets jumped on.
To me that was as if he was trying to paint himself a martyr.

But because I was making an assumption on the nature of his question I decided to ask MarkFive510 exactly what he meant by asking the question. Was he commenting on lack of new woodworkers or was he complaining about the forum content. I see nothing wrong with asking that question.

I also asked if he was complaining about forum content and did it in the matter he did, what response did he expect? I would think if you ask a sarcastic type question you might get a sarcastic type answer. But that is just the way my brain works. I was asking Markfive510 to find out what he expected.

Your response to my questions that my jock is to tight has me mystified. I simply asked a question and offered an opinion based on an assumption. And because it was an assumption I also asked for a clarification. I see nothing in any of that, that would signify that my jock is too tight. If you do please enlighten me so I know I have a problem and will start buying a larger size jock. Thanks

Incidently I do woodworking and I usually detail it if I run into to something I think others would benefit from hearing, but I don't post often post pictures for two reasons. One I don't usually have acccess to a digital camera. Second I'm not the type of person that posts pictures of my projects.

I post a picture when I have something to show that I think will help others or will better answer or ask a question. But just to post a picture of my past or present work to have eveyone's comment goes against my grain. Perhaps it is pride I don't want criticism or false humility I don't know but I don't do picture galleries.

Also I don't often make a comment about someone else's pictures, unless it contains something I intend to copy or is has some special value. So if anyone has posted a picture of a project and I haven't remarked about it understand I think it is great but saw no reason to post a comment to state the obvious.

I hope I haven't offended anyone