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mickyd wrote:Do 100% of the PowerPro's experience this condition? If no, design or manufacturing process variability is an issue. If yes, how could SS have released the units for sale to the general public, not to mention reviewers from the major woodworking magazines.
Too many variables not under their control.
Beta tests are a preliminary test. The real test(s) occur after distribution.
These are some really rainy day during a full moon issues. ('Controlled' by a wide variety of the 'general public'!)
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Besides inadequately controlled beta testing, what are the issues that have been uncovered.
I know of broken wires (that were either under stress or nicked when terminated) and programming that is being tweaked. Both of these should have/could have been avoided by strict quality control procedures.
In my way of thinking, neither detracts from the sensational design that Shopsmith has come up with. This is undoubtedly a great new wood working power tool.
May they very soon correct their internal processes.
"Making Sawdust Safely" Dusty
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dusty wrote:Besides inadequately controlled beta testing, what are the issues that have been uncovered.
I know of broken wires (that were either under stress or nicked when terminated) and programming that is being tweaked. Both of these should have/could have been avoided by strict quality control procedures.
In my way of thinking, neither detracts from the sensational design that Shopsmith has come up with. This is undoubtedly a great new wood working power tool.
May they very soon correct their internal processes.
VERY well put dusty. 100% spot on.
My biggest concern for the company is the potential negative market impressions sub-par quality can result in. Just think of a magazine review that may publish these issues. EEEKKKK!!!
charlese wrote:...The issue here is the faceplate just barely fastens on to the aux spindle. The spindle is too short for a full grip of the set screw. If I take off the small screen that surrounds the aux spindle, I could get the faceplate on further.
Got a spare "Universal" arbor, with spacers?
Mark V 520, Power-Pro!; Speed Reducer; B/S; Jointer; ShopMate DCS; SS Tenon Master; Rip-Strate; Incra; BCTW; DW734; var. SS sanding systems; Wood River;
My biggest concern for the company is the potential negative market impressions sub-par quality can result in. Just think of a magazine review that may publish these issues. EEEKKKK!!!
Has anyone decided whether or no the chattering/ pounding/ banging/ racket/ noise is actually potentially damaging, other than to one's hearing and psyche?
If I were assured by a knowledgeable factory rep that no harm would come to the machine or the workpiece as a result of the sometimes horrendous cacophonies issuing from the headstock I might be inclined to sorta ignore it, or at least dispense with the notion that I should be standing behind a protective steel plate.
I mean, what if Shopsmith broadcast an alert saying simply that those occasional noises are good things?
Mark V 520, Power-Pro!; Speed Reducer; B/S; Jointer; ShopMate DCS; SS Tenon Master; Rip-Strate; Incra; BCTW; DW734; var. SS sanding systems; Wood River;
My biggest concern for the company is the potential negative market impressions sub-par quality can result in. Just think of a magazine review that may publish these issues. EEEKKKK!!!
I have mixed reaction to you two QA aficionados. Most of the statistical principles work fine when applied against a large enough sample size.
I dare say the power pro quantities are so small that almost each unit has a unique set of history and variances. I am sure the beta test quanties are smaller.
You make an excellent point re control of the beta test(s). Methinks more attention was paid to the update procedures than any performance testing with varying SPT, tasks, loading. I find it interesting that bandsaw cutting of tight curves exposed an 'anomaly'. Also that adding a 'flywheel' negates it in spite of the fact that another 'anomaly' occurs when disc sanding. Also that spring constant of belts(tension/wearing in) affects these conditions.
Lotta 'mushey' connections between motor and loads.
Good Luck Wes! I am sure it will be overcome!
Keep the Faith guys!!!!:)
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JPG40504 wrote:I have mixed reaction to you two QA aficionados. Most of the statistical principles work fine when applied against a large enough sample size.
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They launched quite a few successful space shuttle on those small samples. When done right at the design stages, it can really be successful. Lots of out of the box upfront thinking as to what can possibly go wrong and design with it and / or around it.
Sometimes designers like to each design in their own niche areas but then no one looks objectively at the system as a whole. That's were good QA comes in. There's a saying "Inspect it like you use it". Just because everything meets print doesn't mean it works.
Successful product release is no doubt a brutally difficult task. That's why I'm glad I'm now in distribution vs. manufacturing.
mickyd wrote:They launched quite a few successful space shuttle on those small samples. When done right at the design stages, it can really be successful. Lots of out of the box upfront thinking as to what can possibly go wrong and design with it and / or around it. QA? NO JUST PLAIN OLD FASHIONED CLEAR THINKING.
Sometimes designers like to each design in their own niche areas but then no one looks objectively at the system as a whole.THAT BE THE OSTRICH PRINCIPLE - SEE ABOVE! That's were good QA comes in. There's a saying "Inspect it like you use it". Just because everything meets print doesn't mean it works.
Successful product release is no doubt a brutally difficult task. That's why I'm glad I'm now in distribution vs. manufacturing.I'll let this alone!]
Gee! Monday morning quarterbacking is easier!:D
P.S. Not sure the shuttle program is a 'good' example!
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Wes adjusted a PP headstock that duplicated the issues mine is having. He figured a new computerized adjustment - Jim Mcann used that adjusted machine to put a bandsaw through it's paces - even putting the blade in such a bind as to cause the blade to slip. No more chattering.
Wes talked me through the new settings and asked me to use my unit and he would call back tomorrow. He again mentioned there are many variables including belt tensions. Anyway, the fix only worked slightly! Shucks!! Those Shopsmith guys are sure going the distance to try and fix this issue.
BTW - Everything works SUPER with the faceplate flywheel on the axillary spindle.
Maybe I'll do some adjusting of the belts.
Octogenarian's have an earned right to be a curmudgeon.
Chuck in Lancaster, CA
I did get my PowerPro back yesterday (Wednesday) and was able to do some cutting with it. Hope to do more with it today.
So far, seems very nice.
I was impressed with how fast SS got it back to me.
