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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:06 am
by JPG
From post 25 this thread.

The result of using shopsmith hardware and template.

"I did notice however that the template they provided doesn't quite get it off the ground on the first stop and it is only about a quoarter inch of the ground in the next position."




Hence some 'discussion'!;)


I would have thought they got it right also!:cool:

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:21 pm
by damagi
paulmcohen wrote:I would have assumed that if I purchased them from Shopsmith they would have done the math and provided a template that works, otherwise I can go to my local caster wholesaler (3 miles from my house) and get them cheaper and without shipping.
Yeah, we shall see.

Note that there is no tax on a shopsmith order, whereas where I am at there is 9.5%. Granted, since you are in Oregon there is no sales tax.

When I checked just now, shipping was $8.50 for me on $36 casters.

So total shipped with template (which should be correct, we shall see) is $44.50, whereas my local place is $33 with no template. If you are ordering other stuff I would call it a wash.

Note that the casters I got are, I believe, identical to the SS ones. If you are willing to go with cheaper quality (ie: no ball bearings) then you can probably save some cash and cut the cost in half. There are two main things that you get with the nicer casters - easier to move due to reduced friction, and easier to go over uneven floor. Lower quality casters would only address the second.

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:26 pm
by dusty
damagi wrote:Yeah, we shall see.

Note that there is no tax on a shopsmith order, whereas where I am at there is 9.5%. Granted, since you are in Oregon there is no sales tax.

When I checked just now, shipping was $8.50 for me on $36 casters.

So total shipped with template (which should be correct, we shall see) is $44.50, whereas my local place is $33 with no template. If you are ordering other stuff I would call it a wash.

Note that the casters I got are, I believe, identical to the SS ones. If you are willing to go with cheaper quality (ie: no ball bearings) then you can probably save some cash and cut the cost in half. There are two main things that you get with the nicer casters - easier to move due to reduced friction, and easier to go over uneven floor. Lower quality casters would only address the second.
The casters that you purchased locally, are they the SC part number
21PP30GI4469YY (# with bearings).

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:08 pm
by damagi
dusty wrote:The casters that you purchased locally, are they the SC part number
21PP30GI4491YY (# with bearings).
I think the above change is needed.

http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/series-21.pdf, plus http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/part- ... -guide.pdf

21 - Series
PP - Poly-Pro Wheel
30 - 3.0" diameter
G - 1 1/4" width
I - Gray/Gray wheel color
44 - Single precision ball bearing, 3/8 w/Full T
91 - Grip Ring 7/16 x 1-3/8
YY - Generic placeholder for options.

Note that they had to assemble these for me. Baiscally, you pick your wheel and your caster holder, then they put them together. This also means that the same overall part number with the 30 replaced with 40 or 50 respectively should get you 4" or 5" wheels.

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:08 pm
by dusty
damagi wrote:I think the above change is needed.

http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/series-21.pdf, plus http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/part-number-reference-guide.pdf

21 - Series
PP - Poly-Pro Wheel
30 - 3.0" diameter
G - 1 1/4" width
I - Gray/Gray wheel color
44 - Single precision ball bearing, 3/8 w/Full T
91 - Grip Ring 7/16 x 1-3/8
YY - Generic placeholder for options.

Note that they had to assemble these for me. Baiscally, you pick your wheel and your caster holder, then they put them together. This also means that the same overall part number with the 30 replaced with 40 or 50 respectively should get you 4" or 5" wheels.
Thank you for the corrections and clarification of the part number.

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:19 am
by paulmcohen
damagi wrote:Yeah, we shall see.

Note that there is no tax on a Shopsmith order, whereas where I am at there is 9.5%. Granted, since you are in Oregon there is no sales tax.

When I checked just now, shipping was $8.50 for me on $36 casters.

So total shipped with template (which should be correct, we shall see) is $44.50, whereas my local place is $33 with no template. If you are ordering other stuff I would call it a wash.

Note that the casters I got are, I believe, identical to the SS ones. If you are willing to go with cheaper quality (ie: no ball bearings) then you can probably save some cash and cut the cost in half. There are two main things that you get with the nicer casters - easier to move due to reduced friction, and easier to go over uneven floor. Lower quality casters would only address the second.

For me it was a different discussion, Shopsmith's solution seems not work as provided, eBay solution costs less and may or may not work depending on my math. I am happy to buy stuff from Shopsmith when they have it and it works.

Does anyone have the Shopsmith casters installed and working correctly? I need to be able to run over cards and bumps.

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:25 am
by paulmcohen
damagi wrote:I think the above change is needed.

http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/series-21.pdf, plus http://www.durablecasters.com/pdf/part-number-reference-guide.pdf

21 - Series
PP - Poly-Pro Wheel
30 - 3.0" diameter
G - 1 1/4" width
I - Gray/Gray wheel color
44 - Single precision ball bearing, 3/8 w/Full T
91 - Grip Ring 7/16 x 1-3/8
YY - Generic placeholder for options.

Note that they had to assemble these for me. Baiscally, you pick your wheel and your caster holder, then they put them together. This also means that the same overall part number with the 30 replaced with 40 or 50 respectively should get you 4" or 5" wheels.

Is 97 a better fit since the Shopsmith part is 7/16 x 1-15/16?

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:29 am
by JPG
paulmcohen wrote:Is 97 a better fit since the Shopsmith part is 7/16 x 1-15/16?
Mine measure 1 5/8.

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:18 am
by MikeG
paulmcohen wrote:Is 97 a better fit since the Shopsmith part is 7/16 x 1-15/16?
The 97 option is not offered in the 21 series. With a swivel bearing I think you would want the bottom of the mounting tube to contact the top of the upper raceway cap for better support.

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:07 am
by damagi
MikeG wrote:The 97 option is not offered in the 21 series. With a swivel bearing I think you would want the bottom of the mounting tube to contact the top of the upper raceway cap for better support.
I thought the same thing and came to the same conclusion. I looked around for the 1 5/8 ones and didn't find any. the 1 15/16 certainly could be an option in theory. But, as I noted - I believe the part number I posted is as close to SS's one as possible (except for the color).