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robinson46176 wrote:How many times have I said here "Never measure when you can superimpose..."
I guess not enough...
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Of course I have never miss-measured or miss-cut anything... At least not unless I was doing something.

Until one feels the pain a few times, the need to not measure just doesn't register, especially for one who's entire career had been in Quality Assurance, dealing constantly with measurement systems. Virtually nothing in my line of business is relative...it all has dimensions and associated tolerances.

Tonight, I made the pegboard panels for the doors without taking a single measurement. Alleluia!!! It was all based on the fit of the pegboard into the rabbet recess on the door frames. Just laid the sheet of pegboard stock on the workbench, traced the outline of the doors interior edge onto the sheet and went in a little less than the 1" rabbet and bada bing, cut it there. Worked great (AND felt good doing it too). Yesterday, I would have measured and cut. I have to admit that since the pegboards hole to hole spacing is 1", that visual clue was great for helping me make sure the pegboard panel was square since at this point, the door frame ISN'T. The square panel will now be used to square off the door frame.

Goal for tonight was to have phase III completed which was all cutting done, the assembly dry fitted, and everything ready for sanding and sealing tomorrow. Goal accomplished.
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shipwright wrote:No disrespect Chuck. I have the utmost respect for your work and your advice .
But I've used literally thousands of fbm of doug fir and even spent a little time when I was younger working in a mill that cut it and I don't believe I've ever seen a knot like those in Mike's pieces. Can't explain it, they just look wrong. Also the grey color in the first photo in #389 looks wrong to me. Discoloration in D fir should be purple streaks if any at all. Most of the D fir I've used for boatbuilding has been old growth big tree stuff but even the construction grade D fir I've seen doesn't look like this stuff. I wish I could smell it, then there would be no doubt.
Just my opinion though.

Paul M

Gotta get this out to not sway opinion.....the gray piece in 389 is a mongrel piece of 2x4 I had. I botched up on both of my initial uprights and had to remake them. Since I had that wood already, it saved me a trip to the store. It is NOT the same as the rest of the stock. Chuck reference to post 369 is worth showing since it shows the grain better.

I read Chuck's excellent post on wood determination method and am going to give it a try. I had read about that method somewhere previously when I was trying to determine the type of wood that my ER bench boards were made of but never bothered to try it.

I now see reddish hue in the wood when I sanded the end grain on the uprights tonight.

mickyd wrote:Gotta get this out to not sway opinion.....the gray piece in 389 is a mongrel piece of 2x4 I had. I botched up on both of my initial uprights and had to remake them. Since I had that wood already, it saved me a trip to the store. It is NOT the same as the rest of the stock.

I read Chuck's excellent post on wood determination method and am going to give it a try. I had read about that method somewhere previously when I was trying to determine the type of wood that my ER bench boards were made of but never bothered to try it.

I now see reddish hue in the wood when I sanded the end grain on the uprights tonight.

If it be Douglas Fir, it be sap, not heartwood! I agree with chuck, the grain is a bit too pronounced for spruce. I noticed that earlier, but dismissed it as a lighting phenomenon.

This is where I first read about the techy way to determine wood species. Interesting read.

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Just found this one too. Lists doug fir and spuce.

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Also, here's a look at the sanded (80 grit) end grain of my wood. Scale is in 10th's of an inch.
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This whole species thing is getting interesting. The technical stuff made my brain hurt. I will stick with my original thought that it is not D fir, but in the light of the other learned opinions here I am prepared to be shown the error of my ways. I have always in the past been in the presence of any wood that I was trying to identify and for one with which I am as familiar as I am with D fir there would be no question. The appearance of the grain, the frequent presence of pitch pockets, THE SMELL, the feel with a chisel or knife, the weight and many other factors would make it obviously D fir (also sometimes called Oregon Pine I believe). All I can say is it sure doesn't look like any D fir I've ever used.

I will say no more

Paul M

If I am not sure about species when someone asks me "what kind of wood is this?" I usually just say "tree".
Hey, if the bird watchers can call a whole big batch of them "LBB's" then I can say "tree".
"LBB" = little brown birds...

Not to get too far off topic but your LBB's reminded me of this one, Around here when out sailing we often see birds sitting on floating bits of logs or whatever. We refer to these as aircraft carriers and the equipment assembled on the flight deck as B-1-RD's or GU-11's.

Paul M

shipwright wrote:Not to get too far off topic but your LBB's reminded me of this one, Around here when out sailing we often see birds sitting on floating bits of logs or whatever. We refer to these as aircraft carriers and the equipment assembled on the flight deck as B-1-RD's or GU-11's.

Paul M

Didn't those aircrafts carry the dreaded p-ØØP bombs?

mickyd wrote:Didn't those aircrafts carry the dreaded p-ØØP bombs?

And you claim to be acronymn challenged!:D

We see a lot of Mugwumps here in northern New Jersey. Those are birds that sit on a telephone or power wire with their mug on one side and their wump on the other:)

Dick