RE: The Fiscal Cliff and punishing those who screw things up!

[jhut83]

Truth, by the way, can never be an insult.

One man's truth is another man's propaganda.

[Ed in Tampa]

One man's truth is another man's propaganda.

Isn't that the truth we went over the cliff and we are still here. WOW!

[keakap]

One man's truth is another man's propaganda.

But that truth is still truth to "another man", whether propaganda or not. That's what is so good about truth. He may deny it but it is still truth. Propaganda, on the other hand, is propaganda because it can't be backed up.

Truth is truth.

Example:
"tax cuts for the rich" is propaganda.

"tax cuts for every taxpayer" was the truth.

[davebodner]

Dave, do you really believe that Obama took "pain" when he proposed raising income taxes on 1 to 2 percent of the population when about 47 percent don't pay any federal income tax at all?

Some, not as much as Mondale did in '84. You don't think some folks didn't vote for him because he was going to raise their taxes?

Hiking taxes on the so-called rich does noting to control spending, nor does it do much to reduce the deficit. Here's the math -- $65 billion a year from those tax increases vs. a deficit in fiscal year 2012 of $1.1 trillion. Had those tax increases been in effect last year the deficit would have been reduced by less than 6 percent.

Not to worry, each taxpayers share of the national debt today is $145,615.

Maybe that's true. It's also completely irrelevant to my point. The spending cuts--and the tax increases--necessary to fix the problem will be painful and politically suicidal. Obama took a tiny sip of strychnine. The House Republicans haven't opened their bottle yet.

[davebodner]

[quote="keakap"]I'm not disagreeing, but I do wonder: at what level? Thinking specifically about todays Main Stream Media, owned by you know who and proud of it, 1) would a Republican President and Senate have gotten away with breaking Law and not producing a federal budget for a year? for 2 years? for 3 years? for 4 years?]
I fear the dark place where this man's mind resides.

[jhut83]

an anti-American (Democrat) regime

That's the one with the motto on the side "always blame Republicans"

What happened?

Teddy Roosevelt.
Woodrow Wilson.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
J.F. Kennedy.
Lyndon Johnson.
William Clinton.
B. Hussein Soetoro/Obama

Socialism and Communism happened to us.

would a Republican president have gotten away with breaking Law and knowingly and wantonly violating the Constitution by illegally making Hitlery Clinton Secretary of State?

There's all your "truth" just as you posted it. How is this informing anyone?

[jayp413]

Unfortunately what is happening right here in the thread is exactly what is happening on the congress and senate floors. Houses devided. Neither side will budge and it is tearing the country apart. Notice I said NEITHER side. It amazes me how far apart these parties as a whole can be. The job should simply be to improve life conditions for americans as a whole. Rich,poor and inbetween. We need to focus on rebuilding this country before we worry about anything else. I have a long way to go (God willing) in this world. I have started a family and really wonder at times what they will have for oppotunities out there. I have worked and paid taxes, medicare, social security since I was old enough to and the fact these benefits might not be there for me pisses me off. I would like a refund if that is the case. This is a problem that has been snowballing MANY presidents back. We need to put our differences aside and work together to not be a laughing stock around the world and get this country where it should be. On TOP!

[keakap]

There's all your "truth" just as you posted it. How is this informing anyone?

It seems obvious that some people aren't aware of the issues behind the comments responded to, now taken from context. If they were made aware that they do not know about which they speak, they'd either want to learn or refuse to, generally speaking.

For example, the "what happened" to our society is a virtual unknown today. Much of what is taught in our schools- if it is taught at all- of American history is false. My comment that included the names of a few presidents that brought this country to socialism and the Welfare State would surely, if not understood at all, bring about a curiosity I would think. IF, that is, there was an inclination to learn the truth in the first place, whether or not the veracity of the comments mattered.

Imho a man's comments deserve a hearing unless he is wont to repeating useless and thoughtless bumper stickers like "tax cuts for the rich" for example. So a person who didn't understand what that list meant and looked into it might well find out that while Republicans are often labeled war mongers, f.e., all of our major wars were entered under Democrat regimes. Wouldn't that raise some eyebrows? Wouldn't that person wonder then why Repubs are called mongers?

How about relating "anti-American" with "Democrat" party- an idea that is not mine and certainly not strange or new? Both Wilson and Obama shared a severe- and open- dislike for our Constitution. Our Constitution, one could credibly say, is the essence of America. How many people know about Roosevelt's NEW bill of rights? How many are taught a simple Fact about slavery and the Republican party, that that party was formed in part to fight slavery? If they were fighting it, who was supporting it? Which party was really most responsible for improvements in "civil rights" laws? But ask any college student which party is considered the party of the minorities and the answer will almost always be "Democrat". (Probably the same ones who couldn't tell you where money for "free, government funded" programs comes from.) Many things that Obama has done, is doing and wants to do are anti-American (or anti-Constitutional).

Your question was how my comments were informing anyone. There's a starter for an answer. I could expound if you wish. And no insults need be exchanged.

quickly: "always blame Republicans" -- i.e. as in the Democrats are 4 years delinquent in producing a budget, yet they blame Repubs.

re the biased media, "would a Repub have gotten away with (no budget)..."---of course not]of course not[/B]!

And How Very Interesting, I find, that the veracity of my comments was not challenged, only the comments themselves and my reasons for making them.

But truth is truth, and can never be an insult. And it can be discussed rationally, unlike propaganda, bumper stickers and talking points.

[keakap]

There's all your "truth" just as you posted it.

Of course, the truth is that that is not the truth.

Not "as you posted it" at all, but removed from context.
But far be it from me to infer that there was any dishonest purpose in it.

[keakap]

Unfortunately what is happening right here in the thread is exactly what is happening on the congress and senate floors. Houses devided. Neither side will budge and it is tearing the country apart. Notice I said NEITHER side. It amazes me how far apart these parties as a whole can be. The job should simply be to improve life conditions for americans as a whole. Rich,poor and inbetween. We need to focus on rebuilding this country before we worry about anything else. I have a long way to go (God willing) in this world. I have started a family and really wonder at times what they will have for oppotunities out there. I have worked and paid taxes, medicare, social security since I was old enough to and the fact these benefits might not be there for me pisses me off. I would like a refund if that is the case. This is a problem that has been snowballing MANY presidents back. We need to put our differences aside and work together to not be a laughing stock around the world and get this country where it should be. On TOP!

AGREED!

But do they hear that message?