Shopsmith 10ER

[rpd]

My 10-ER, which I have had for a number of years, S/N 66050 (passed down from grandfather), but not used much, is in need of a blade change. Current one that came with the machine is a tad warped. It is a 7-1/4".

With the standard table insert, can the machine take a larger blade size, such as an 8" or 10", or do I need to stay with the 7-1/4" size?

Additionally, something that has always bugged me, and wondering if there is a fix...The belt guard cover seems to be a bit high with dictated table heights for certain work, and when running long stock through off the left side, it makes contact with the belt cover. Is there a solution for this?

Also, can someone direct me to a good set of drive belt replacements?

Thank you for your time.

Welcome aboard.

There a a couple of good sources for 10er belts, (and other parts).
MKC Tools
and
Hog Winslow

As JPG said above the 10ER was designed to use an 8" blade, The extra depth of cut with the larger blade may even solve your problem with the belt guard.

If you didn't get an owners manual with your 10er you can download one from Vintage Machinery. 2016 MAGNA 10ER Restored Owners Guide v 1.01 - Everett L. Davis

We would love to see pictures of your 10er, and answer any other questions you may have.

[hillsmi]

It was originally an 8" saw.

The belt cover was changed to provide greater clearance, but with that high SN I am guessing you already have the 'lower' one.

Post a pix.

As for the drive 'belts', do you have the speed changer(requires two belts).

As requested, here are a couple pics. I did have to do some de-rusting when I got it, but not much. It came with the small extension table, lathe tool rest, disc sander, belt sander drum, jigsaw attachment. Probably pretty much everything that was an option at the time. I have only used it once as a drill press, and a few times for horizontal boring. It's main use from me has been as a table saw.

So, originally being an 8" machine, if I can find an 8" blade, I should be good? Thank you.

It is a single belt drive, looks to be the original, and has a number of 41380? on the belt. So, recommendations for replacement?, and, is the speed variable?, or just the two speeds with changing to the different pulleys?

Here is a close-up of the belt cover, so you can see if it is a 'low profile' belt cover. As stated, when I have the table at a required height, depending on what I am cross-cutting, if the material extends to the left of the blade longer than the distance from blade to belt cover, the material hits the belt cover. Not sure if there is a solution to this issue.

Thank you again.

[JPG]

It should be three speeds. 875, 1750, 3500. I notice the belt is not straight in your pix. Your belt is 1/2" wide by 38" 'length'. Running skewed likely has caused wear to the sides of the belt. Both pulleys should have 2"/3"/4" diameters. The belt combinations are 2-4, 3-3, 4-2.

[hillsmi]

It should be three speeds. 875, 1750, 3500. I notice the belt is not straight in your pix. Your belt is 1/2" wide by 38" 'length'. Running skewed likely has caused wear to the sides of the belt. Both pulleys should have 2"/3"/4" diameters. The belt combinations are 2-4, 3-3, 4-2.

Thank you...I did find another post with the belt number, and got one ordered and en-route.

Can anyone recommend a good quality, 8" blade (large tooth count for fine work), and a supplier? I've got Lowe's, HD, Menards, and obviously online to anywhere.

I think the skew in belt you are seeing in that one pic is because the camera was not on a straight-on angle. Looking at the other two, it looks straight. If it were on offset pulleys, I would have seen that, taken notice, and corrected.

So, by putting belt on different pulleys, I will get slower or faster speeds, but, the speed is not variable 'on-the-fly,' (like the accelerator in your car) correct?

[hillsmi]

If you didn't get an owners manual with your 10er you can download one from Vintage Machinery. 2016 MAGNA 10ER Restored Owners Guide v 1.01 - Everett L. Davis

Also, thank you for the link to manual. I do have, I think, most of the manual, but have never really sat down to take a close look at it, to see how complete it is. It is nice to have the complete.

Grandpa also provided a nice set of Rockwell turning tools, and a box of misc stuff as well. I never got to see him use it, let alone, I don't event think I remember him having it during my visits as a child (probably didn't pay that much attn to the items in the garage). When he passed, grandma asked if I wanted the SS, so I said "Yes." I have had it for going on about 20 years now.

[hillsmi]

One more ?...Does anyone happen to know the thread size / depth on the quill lever? That is one thing that I don't remember seeing in all the stuff that I received. I would like to have a couple, one for front knob, and, and one for back knob.

I realize that I can hop online and order a couple, but I have a friend with a machine shop that can fabricate a couple for me and wouldn't cost me anything.

Thanks in advance for the info.

[JPG]

Try running a 3/8-16 screw into the hub.

Yes three speeds.

However by adding a 'speed changer' you gain both adjustability and greater range. They are around on e-bay often. They ain't cheap.

[rpd]

One more ?...Does anyone happen to know the thread size / depth on the quill lever? That is one thing that I don't remember seeing in all the stuff that I received. I would like to have a couple, one for front knob, and, and one for back knob.

I realize that I can hop online and order a couple, but I have a friend with a machine shop that can fabricate a couple for me and wouldn't cost me anything.

Thanks in advance for the info.

There is a pair of videos on YouTube showing how to make a Quill Feed Handle.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjyCbKRTOa0[/youtube]
I keep mine on the back hub pretty much all the time. Having one on the front hub may be handy occasionally but most of the time it will just get in the way of other operations. Also it is easy to unscrew from the back hub and move to the front when needed. I don't think there is any advantage to having two installed at the same time.

[rpd]

So, originally being an 8" machine, if I can find an 8" blade, I should be good? Thank you.


Here is a close-up of the belt cover, so you can see if it is a 'low profile' belt cover. As stated, when I have the table at a required height, depending on what I am cross-cutting, if the material extends to the left of the blade longer than the distance from blade to belt cover, the material hits the belt cover. Not sure if there is a solution to this issue.

Thank you again.

This is the blade I have been using on mine. Freud D0840X Diablo 8-1/4-Inch 40 Tooth so an 8 1/4" blade will work.
I just went out and measured, with the table set so the work just clears the belt guard there is 1 5/8" of blade exposed, enough to crosscut 2 x stock.

So, by putting belt on different pulleys, I will get slower or faster speeds, but, the speed is not variable 'on-the-fly,' (like the accelerator in your car) correct?

Correct, to get variable speed you need a Speed Changer which was sold as an optional accessory.
These are very desirable and usually sell on Ebay in the $150-200 range. Alternately, if you have the room in you shop it can be cheaper to keep an eye on your local Craigslist for a complete machine that includes a speed changer and then set the second one up as a dedicated drill press.

[hillsmi]

[quote="rpd"]This is the blade I have been using on mine. Freud D0840X Diablo 8-1/4-Inch 40 Tooth so an 8 1/4" blade will work.
I just went out and measured, with the table set so the work just clears the belt guard there is 1 5/8" of blade exposed, enough to crosscut 2 x stock. [quote="hillsmi"]

Thank you for the measuring and investigation in your answer. I will locate one of those. I actually have a Lowe's GC from Christmas, that I might use to pick up the Dewalt. But now that I know I can go up to 8-1/4", I have more options.