Hand Shake Agreement - and Honor

[Gene Howe]

Jr. High and High school.
Used to be called Home Ec. Along with Health, some good knowledge about family dynamics. Make it co-ed and they shouldn't be electives, either. And while we're at it, bring back shop.
I've spent a good deal of my professional life as a communications consultant working with Head Start children. From my experience only, no statistical data to back me up, the parent(s) (usually, just a mom) would be prime candidates for a remedial parenting class. Although, I question the efficacy of the program as a whole, as long as it's running, why not make "parenting studies" a requisite for those parents?
And, any family (adults) under Department of Family Services' supervision should have an obligation to attend an adult education type parenting class.

Good luck convincing the 'parents' they need to be taught!:D

[teacherman]

Jr. High and High school.
Used to be called Home Ec. Along with Health, some good knowledge about family dynamics. Make it co-ed and they shouldn't be electives, either. And while we're at it, bring back shop.
I've spent a good deal of my professional life as a communications consultant working with Head Start children. From my experience only, no statistical data to back me up, the parent(s) (usually, just a mom) would be prime candidates for a remedial parenting class. Although, I question the efficacy of the program as a whole, as long as it's running, why not make "parenting studies" a requisite for those parents?
And, any family (adults) under Department of Family Services' supervision should have an obligation to attend an adult education type parenting class.

My students are those same kids after they've gotten in trouble. Facing the enormity of the problem each day, I get so dang discouraged sometimes....

[Gene Howe]

That's quite understandable. You can only expose them to the path, you can't force them to walk it. But don't get too discouraged. The things you do and say and the academic instruction you provide my seem to not penetrate but some does, believe me. And, it just may be that one thing that you taught or showed, that stops them from doing that act that will send them back.
Your successes are not measured by ACT scores, but by lives changed. Maybe just a little bit, but no telling what good effect that little bit will have in a man's life and the lives he touches.
I'm not a religious man, but you my friend, are doing the Lord's work.

My students are those same kids after they've gotten in trouble. Facing the enormity of the problem each day, I get so dang discouraged sometimes....

[db5]

I am really curious, Steve. In what part of this great country did you grow up and where do you now call home? FFIW and because I asked you....I was born and raised in Montana, I grew up in the military and I now live near an Indian reservation in Arizona. I lived for 6 years in Biloxi, MS in the 60s and a few years in CA, OH, IA and WA. What I am trying to say is that I have experienced first hand much of what makes this country tick.

Dusty:

I love this game. I've always loved "Can You Top This." Well, I was born illegitimately to a 16 year old and became a ward of the state immediately after my birth. The first four years were spent in an orphanage (yes they had them then) then another year with three nuns who ran an Indian school and then in foster homes. From age 10 to 14 I lived in a very abusive house, ran away (twice) and was told by a judge to go back or go to jail. I chose jail. He couldn't or wouldn't do that (idle threat?) so he turned me loose (on the street). Got a job (2), rented a place for $40 per month, and kept going to school. Was pegged to be a dropout and a HS counselor told me to join the Navy. I persisted and graduated (barely) and it took another 8 years to earn a BS degree, 4 more years for an MA and another 3 for a Ph.D.

No, I didn't do it all on my own. I was blessed with good intelligence, a pleasant demeanor (not so pleasant as I age) and and a kind family I met at age 20 who mentored and nurtured me. Everybody needs somebody.

I've been in every state except SD, RI and ID and lived in CA, LA, OK, NM, NY, TX and VA while at Quantico (USMC not FBI). All listed alphabetically.

Along the way I learned that everyone has a different opinion based on experience. No one has the experience I have so no one has the same opinion I do; however, thousands of people have vastly different experiences but have very similar opinions. How do you account for that?

I already have an hypothesis for that but have no way of proving it is false so won't assume it is true; therefore I'll not offer it.

So Dusty, while it may not be readily apparent I just reinforced your comment - with additional minutia.

[db5]

That's quite understandable. You can only expose them to the path, you can't force them to walk it.

As Dorothy Parker said, "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.":D

Google Dorothy Parker for more witticisms.

[JPG]

[quote="db5"]Dusty:

I love this game. I've always loved "Can You Top This." Well, I was born illegitimately to a 16 year old and became a ward of the state immediately after my birth. The first four years were spent in an orphanage (yes they had them then) then another year with three nuns who ran an Indian school and then in foster homes. From age 10 to 14 I lived in a very abusive house, ran away (twice) and was told by a judge to go back or go to jail. I chose jail. He couldn't or wouldn't do that (idle threat?) so he turned me loose (on the street). Got a job (2), rented a place for $40 per month, and kept going to school. Was pegged to be a dropout and a HS counselor told me to join the Navy. I persisted and graduated (barely) and it took another 8 years to earn a BS degree, 4 more years for an MA and another 3 for a Ph.D.

No, I didn't do it all on my own. I was blessed with good intelligence, a pleasant demeanor (not so pleasant as I age) and and a kind family I met at age 20 who mentored and nurtured me. Everybody needs somebody.

I've been in every state except SD, RI and ID and lived in CA, LA, OK, NM, NY, TX and VA while at Quantico (USMC not FBI). All listed alphabetically.

Along the way I learned that everyone has a different opinion based on experience. No one has the experience I have so no one has the same opinion I do]
I do not understand why you think people with different life experience should have differing 'opinions'. If their 'opinion' is based upon 'facts' then their 'experience' is irrelevant.

Now if their 'opinion' is based upon hearsay or some other nebulous thing gleened from their 'experience', than randomness is to be expected.

Sadly too many are in the latter category!

[dgale]

Man, I had no idea what this thread was all about when it started and and am more more lost now…would be nice to see this much energy put into discussing woodworking…isn't that why we are all allegedly here?

[JPG]

Man, I had no idea what this thread was all about when it started and and am more more lost now…would be nice to see this much energy put into discussing woodworking…isn't that why we are all allegedly here?

Yes tangents are hard to resist.

BTW Variety is the spice of life!;)

[dusty]

Man, I had no idea what this thread was all about when it started and and am more more lost now&#8230]would be nice to see this much energy put into discussing woodworking[/B]…isn't that why we are all allegedly here?

Yeah, and I let myself get sucked in again. But no more.

[wa2crk]

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