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Found mine when I got back today, was wondering what I was getting since I didn't order anything...... so I haven't checked to see the error but nice that it fixed.

Ed

So now we have two copies with a pretty picture of a Mark 7 on the cover and none inside(one with index, one without).

Kudos for the 'fix'!!! The replacements came from the publisher.

I have compared the older 4th Edition to this new 4th Edition page by page. I did not read each page in both books but visually compared each page. The only differences I saw was the Shopsmith address on the Publishers page, the picture Fig. 15-13 on page 193 is zoomed out some in the new 4th Edition and the last two pages of the Glossary & all of the Index pages 317 to 325 are missing. Of course the covers are different too. There may be other slight differences I missed similar to the picture zoom. On the plus side the contrast in the new 4th Edition is better than my copy of the old 4th Edition which is in excellent shape.

twistsol, Ed or JPG,
Does your replacement have both the missing Glossary and Index pages? The letter from the Publisher only mentioned the Index.

I have not received a replacement copy but I am on the West Coast, further away from Shopsmith than some of you, so it may or may not be on it's way. Time will tell. Either way the new 4th Edition is a disappointment and is misrepresented in the advertisement.

chapmanruss wrote:I have compared the older 4th Edition to this new 4th Edition page by page. I did not read each page in both books but visually compared each page. The only differences I saw was the Shopsmith address on the Publishers page, the picture Fig. 15-13 on page 193 is zoomed out some in the new 4th Edition and the last two pages of the Glossary & all of the Index pages 317 to 325 are missing. Of course the covers are different too. There may be other slight differences I missed similar to the picture zoom. On the plus side the contrast in the new 4th Edition is better than my copy of the old 4th Edition which is in excellent shape.

twistsol, Ed or JPG,
Does your replacement have both the missing Glossary and Index pages? The letter from the Publisher only mentioned the Index.

I have not received a replacement copy but I am on the West Coast, further away from Shopsmith than some of you, so it may or may not be on it's way. Time will tell. Either way the new 4th Edition is a disappointment and is misrepresented in the advertisement.

All of the index is missing and part of the glossary is missing in my old copy. New one has several blank pages after the index, some publishing thing?

Ed

The first book ended at page 316.

The 'current' book includes pages 317 and 318 to complete the Glossary and includes pages 319 to 325 which is the missing index.

I believe the blank sheets were required to create the binding addition of an additional segment(for lack of the correct terminology). Books are 'bound' by grouping pages and sewing(?) them into the binding several pages
(the segment) at a time.

reible wrote:

chapmanruss wrote:I have compared the older 4th Edition to this new 4th Edition page by page. I did not read each page in both books but visually compared each page. The only differences I saw was the Shopsmith address on the Publishers page, the picture Fig. 15-13 on page 193 is zoomed out some in the new 4th Edition and the last two pages of the Glossary & all of the Index pages 317 to 325 are missing. Of course the covers are different too. There may be other slight differences I missed similar to the picture zoom. On the plus side the contrast in the new 4th Edition is better than my copy of the old 4th Edition which is in excellent shape.

twistsol, Ed or JPG,
Does your replacement have both the missing Glossary and Index pages? The letter from the Publisher only mentioned the Index.

I have not received a replacement copy but I am on the West Coast, further away from Shopsmith than some of you, so it may or may not be on it's way. Time will tell. Either way the new 4th Edition is a disappointment and is misrepresented in the advertisement.

All of the index is missing and part of the glossary is missing in my old copy. New one has several blank pages after the index, some publishing thing?

Ed

So does this mean that were errors in the "old copy" and it was reprinted to correct them. Then the "New copy" had the same errors from the publisher because they used the wrong copy?

The 'error' was pages 317 to 325 were omitted.

A few weeks back, maybe a month or so, when I got my copy with the missing pages I sent an email to SS and they responded quickly and apologized for the error. Today I got an email saying that I will be getting a package from Globus tomorrow and I assume that it will contain a book with the missing pages restored. Like others have posted it would be nice to see a completely updated PTWFE, but even so, I think Shopsmith should receive kudos for quickly addressing the missing pages error and making it right.

John,
The missing Glossary pages and all of the Index were only missing from the first printing of the new, Mark 7 on the cover, 4th Edition, copyright 1989 of PTWFE. They have reprinted it and are apparently sending out corrected copies, only replacing the missing pages, to those of us who purchased them. It still contains the errors previous printings and editions have had. My replacement copy arrived just a few minutes ago.

This is not the first time Shopsmith has had problems with their printers. A few years ago I bought a used Pro Planer locally. It did not have a manual so I ordered one from Shopsmith. It was missing one page and had a duplicate of another page in it's place. If I remember correctly page 23 was missing and had 2 page 25's. It took them three tries to get me a correct copy.

chapmanruss wrote:John,
The missing Glossary pages and all of the Index were only missing from the first printing of the new, Mark 7 on the cover, 4th Edition, copyright 1989 of PTWFE. They have reprinted it and are apparently sending out corrected copies, only replacing the missing pages, to those of us who purchased them. It still contains the errors previous printings and editions have had. My replacement copy arrived just a few minutes ago.

This is not the first time Shopsmith has had problems with their printers. A few years ago I bought a used Pro Planer locally. It did not have a manual so I ordered one from Shopsmith. It was missing one page and had a duplicate of another page in it's place. If I remember correctly page 23 was missing and had 2 page 25's. It took them three tries to get me a correct copy.

I understand all of that but Ed said...

"All of the index is missing and part of the glossary is missing in my old copy."

I assume he means the old 4th addition not the current one with the MK 7 on the cover. So my question is was the same mistake made with the "old" version and quickly corrected? But some of the error copies made it to the field.

Ed will chime in and tell us what he meant.