Poll - Do you have the PowerPro upgrade?

Cavediver · Post by **Cavediver** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:26 pm

saminmn wrote: I am so new to WW that last year I found myself needing to know/learn everything all at once. The slowness of my progress has been discouraging. I have accepted that I may never be really skilled at this, but in my own way and at my own speed I am learning. To dump a lot of money into an upgrade without getting a lot more productive with what I own right now would not make sense.

I'm still new to finer woorworking, even though I'm not new to working with wood (15+years in tradeshow exhibit construction). I've got WW-ADD in a big way. Every new tool or thing I get my hands on is hot for a time, and I want to know everything about it, on and on... In the end, I really haven't done much or learned enough to do the things I want to do. However, I realize it's an issue and am starting to settle down and focus on some of the basics. I've got time (I hope), and I'll get to where I need to be eventually.

I see the Shopsmith and appreciate it for what it is: a good multitool that will cover many tasks. I'll use it for all it's worth, and probably stretch those uses to cover new and interesting processes that were never meant to be. However, I really doubt I'll go for the PP upgrade. I bought the Shopsmith to fill a couple of specific roles, mostly as a drill press and occasionally as a lathe and disc sander. I've got dedicated tools for almost everything else, and the PP upgrade really won't add to or stretch my abilities. If I outgrow the Shopsmith as a lathe, I'll find a dedicated unit that works for me. Same with the drill press.

Even if I do upgrade those other units, I'll keep it as a semi-portable work tool for the house. One can never have too many tools

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:13 pm

joshh wrote:I don't know how accurate it is, but I've heard if you sell all the old parts and do the DIY upgrade, you can get it for less than a grand net cost. Some have even told me less than $600 if you have an '85 or newer (double bearing quill and more hp motor)

I know. I have heard that same story. I guess I am just not good enough a salesman.

I have most of the parts that could be salvaged from a headstock that was headed for an upgrade. I do not have a motor. If I thought I could eBay the parts that I have and so doing reduce the out of pocket cost of an upgrade, it would already have been done.

Parts in a 510 headstock that are not used in the PowerPro:

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Maybe someone would be kind enough to show me what I am missing here. Or better than that, make me a cash offer that will get me close to a PowerPro purchase price.

letterk · Post by **letterk** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:59 pm

joshh wrote:I don't know how accurate it is, but I've heard if you sell all the old parts and do the DIY upgrade, you can get it for less than a grand net cost. Some have even told me less than $600 if you have an '85 or newer (double bearing quill and more hp motor)

I think our member who says that also includes the selling price of the speed increaser and speed reducer. Someone locally is trying to get $495 (IIRC) for his parts. I'm guessing he'll end up keeping them or working EBay. For that kind of money I can probably get the whole machine and accessories. I'm betting if you are lucky you'll get $200-$300.

billmayo · Post by **billmayo** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:57 pm

dusty wrote:I know. I have heard that same story. I guess I am just not good enough a salesman.

I have most of the parts that could be salvaged from a headstock that was headed for an upgrade. I do not have a motor. If I thought I could eBay the parts that I have and so doing reduce the out of pocket cost of an upgrade, it would already have been done.

Parts in a 510 headstock that are not used in the PowerPro:

[ATTACH]20613[/ATTACH]

Maybe someone would be kind enough to show me what I am missing here. Or better than that, make me a cash offer that will get me close to a PowerPro purchase price.

It is sad you do not have the motor as the motor 513964 lists for $358.18. I find breaking the headstock parts into assemblies seems to be the best way for me to sell on Ebay. A good operating 1 1/8 HP motor is worth more than the remaining parts. You may be disappointed with what the left over parts will actually sell for on Ebay. Many times the same item will sell for 2 to 3 more money than the same part listed a week before or after. I try to stick to what I believe is a good listing price and keep relisting the part untill it sells. Most times there is no charge if not sold.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:55 pm

dusty wrote:I know. I have heard that same story. I guess I am just not good enough a salesman.

I have most of the parts that could be salvaged from a headstock that was headed for an upgrade. I do not have a motor. If I thought I could eBay the parts that I have and so doing reduce the out of pocket cost of an upgrade, it would already have been done.

Parts in a 510 headstock that are not used in the PowerPro:

[ATTACH]20613[/ATTACH]

Maybe someone would be kind enough to show me what I am missing here. Or better than that, make me a cash offer that will get me close to a PowerPro purchase price.

Dusty
You have the motor assembly priced at $92 I think the SS price is $385

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:27 am

Ed in Tampa wrote:Dusty
You have the motor assembly priced at $92 I think the SS price is $385

Yeah, that number is not correct but I know that I can not get motor for $92. That must have been something else. I'll never know for sure, however, because I did that list when the DIY Upgrade was first advertised. I can't remember back that far with any accuracy at all. Formatting of my sheet sure makes it look like that is the motor. Yeah, I screwed up here. But I would not sell the motor anyhow. You never know when you might want a good motor even if you have a PP.

Bottom line - without throwing in a few other items from around the homestead, there is not enough left over after upgrading a headstock to recoup the cost.

tomsalwasser · Post by **tomsalwasser** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:03 am

Ed in Tampa wrote:You all be good now, ya hear? I still can't throw out a screw, nut or bolt and I have more junk than I know what to do with

Ed, I hope you're going to the Woodworking Show this weekend. They don't come to St Paul any more

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:07 pm

tomsalwasser wrote:Ed, I hope you're going to the Woodworking Show this weekend. They don't come to St Paul any more

Mixed emotions. I really don't need anything. There are a few things I would like but I don't need them. On one hand it is nice to have all the latest woodworking tools laid out but on the other hand I'm paying to be exposed to high pressure salesmanship. If I go it would be to see the plane that uses disposable blades. I had one in the past and it was fantastic. I kept it in my shop apron would pull it out often to "touch up" joints and things. Some &%*/#! low down dirty rat stole it.

chucks · Post by **chucks** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:41 pm

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I've got an amazing shop...when i was a little younger I was extremely happy to have a sheet metal table to bolt my circular saw to! An awesome table saw! Now with multiple shopsmith machines that can do amazing things, I find that I am content with what I have...Having said that I am still several years away from retirement and they are trying to get me to quit being a slacker, only working 56+ Hrs a week. So not a lot of time to break all of this stuff in. I'll probably find out that I can really use a Power Pro once I retire and cannot afford one.

joshh · Post by **joshh** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:24 pm

I inherited my Dad's Mark V 505. I also recently bought a rough 510. I am in the last stages of restoring the 505 and will steal the 510 tables. I haven't even begun to touch the old 510 as my efforts are focused on finishing the 505 and upgrading it with the two extra floating tables. I am also going to use extra parts to make a double tilt upgrade.

My options are:
Modify the 505's motor to add reverse. I guess then I'd have a mark 7 minus the power pro. Then turn the old 510 into a non-tilting power station for the jointer and bandsaw.

or

Part out the 510 (minus the stolen floating tables and hinge base) AND part out the 505 parts that the power pro replaces. Each headstock has a double bearing quill and a 1&1/8 hp motor. The 505 motor, drive sleeve, quill, and control sheave just had new premium NTN sealed bearings put in by Skip Campbell at MKC Tools. One is an '85 and one is an '86. IF selling those parts would pay for a DIY upgrade SWMBO would allow it. So what do y'all think. Will everything listed sell for that much in eBay?