"If you do not like what is being discussed start a new thread about something you want to discuss and if it is of interest to the group it will become the discussion.The interest of the group as a whole decides the direction of the list".
I like that quote. Many times I read a thread even though I have no interest in the OP's subject (i.e. restoring an old ER). But, often many of us will get off topic (for a plethora of reasons), and that off topic discussion can be very informative or just plain fun.
And to continue on an off topic in this thread...
Dusty, my memory is coming back! Even though I had a router in the Ryobi, I used a stacked dado set. I measured from the fence to the inside of the blade & then cut each side before moving to the next drawer shelf dado. The project started because I had a bunch of scrap ply and LDF around. That turned out to be a mistake, the stuff was not the best to use & my plan left a lot to be desired. But, I will continue on & count it as a functioning learning experience. I wanted several shallow drawers to avoid the "junk" drawers that come of drawers too big for small items. I hope it does not turn out to be a big waste of space.
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Adjacent to that tool bench is another made of half-lapped 2x6 lumber topped with 3/4" MDF with a hardboard toping. It is one solid hunk of lumber! And is about 60" x 34" big. In fact I made a holder for the SS bandsaw hanging off the back.
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Ed in Tampa wrote:I still want to know what markfive510 expected reactions to be to what he posted when he opened this thread?
It has to be interpreted as either a properly worded question about why more people weren't getting into or doing woodworking. Or as a sarcastic remark about forum content.
In fact some people took it to be a valid question and offered what they felt were plausible reasons why there aren't more "new" woodworkers.
Others took it to be a sarcastic remark and either agreed, asked why he was being sarcastic, or offered defense that many do woodworking.
For Markfive510 to now be insulted, hurt, put off or what ever and suggest that he has been unfairly treated by people on the forum surprises me.
I like to know first what was this a poorly worded question? Or in fact a sarcastic remark about forum content.
If it was a sarcastic remark (which I believe it was) I would like Markfive510 to tell me what he expected the reaction of others to be to such a remark?
To me it seems only fair that if you stick your hand in a bee hive to expect to be stung.
Or is that being harsh?
Please see post 13 of this thread for an answer from markfive510.
Tim
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a1gutterman wrote:Please see post 13 of this thread for an answer from markfive510.
Tim
I don't think post 13 was answer to my questions but rather a reaction to the responses he got. His comments in post 13 was what prompted my questions to him. Frankly I think the responses he got were natural reactions to his question but he seemed shocked or disappointed in them to the point of feeling of being abused, so I was asking what was he expecting.
First off all you guys out there who say you open up your shop to people and neighbors what not, any of you guys live in san diego ? Lord knows i could use some guidance on how to turn and fully utilize my greenie. Secondly i may be one of the younger extremes on the forum being only 29 But i did go to a voc high school that offered cabinetry but the bug didnt bite then. The bug bit me when a coworker of mine sold me a crappy nearly worthless craftsman router and bench top router table after that i was sold and havent turned back since. For those of you griping about the change in lifestyles and what not im with you guys people just dont do that anymore but may i suggest a book called Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work? I found it in my ships library over my last deployment and just could not put it down for the life of me. We could go on and on about the demise of wood working and many other trades/ hobbies forever one thing is certain that has been repeated over and over through this thread and that was share your knowledge . I personally thank you all for doing such.
-Mike
ps: i have posted a few of my projects at lumberjocks listed under Mike R. if anyone was interested , it's just so much easier to post there.
bikermike81 wrote:First off all you guys out there who say you open up your shop to people and neighbors what not, any of you guys live in san diego ? Lord knows i could use some guidance on how to turn and fully utilize my greenie. Secondly i may be one of the younger extremes on the forum being only 29 But i did go to a voc high school that offered cabinetry but the bug didnt bite then. The bug bit me when a coworker of mine sold me a crappy nearly worthless craftsman router and bench top router table after that i was sold and havent turned back since. For those of you griping about the change in lifestyles and what not im with you guys people just dont do that anymore but may i suggest a book called Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work? I found it in my ships library over my last deployment and just could not put it down for the life of me. We could go on and on about the demise of wood working and many other trades/ hobbies forever one thing is certain that has been repeated over and over through this thread and that was share your knowledge . I personally thank you all for doing such.
-Mike
ps: i have posted a few of my projects at lumberjocks listed under Mike R. if anyone was interested , it's just so much easier to post there.
I can think of a couple 'close by'!:D
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most kids are too high, too stupid, too impatient, and too prideful to listen to someone trying to teach them something. im about to be 27 and i love working with my hands. i have many many hobbies and interest and am not afraid to learn something that will be put to use the rest of my life. i try to work with teenagers and they are the most prideful, disrespectful, head in the clouds group of people i have ever know. i could teach a 7 year old to use a hammer before i could teach a teenager cuz in the teenagers mind they already know how to do it and your stupid.
TH workshop wrote:most kids are too high, too stupid, too impatient, and too prideful to listen to someone trying to teach them something. im about to be 27 and i love working with my hands. i have many many hobbies and interest and am not afraid to learn something that will be put to use the rest of my life. i try to work with teenagers and they are the most prideful, disrespectful, head in the clouds group of people i have ever know. i could teach a 7 year old to use a hammer before i could teach a teenager cuz in the teenagers mind they already know how to do it and your stupid.
Ahh, but as you are demonstrating so well, many 'grow' out of that!
After a few more decades you will understand them(not agree, understand), but sadly that is usually a one way street.
The lament you are expressing has been a common thread through the 'ages', but the severity of the 'problem' has IMHO become almost intolerable.
BTW Not all young whippersnappers are as you described. There are gooduns!:)
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I think part of the challenge is to make whatever you are trying to teach a teenager relevant to them.
Teenagers are necessarily living in a different reality. I call this the age of required selfishness. They have to be the way they are in order to assert themselves, get out of the house, and become productive adults. I find that the problem is not the teenager but the parent(s) of the teenager. Too many times I see a parent getting walked all over by their children because the parent wants to be friend or a buddy to their kid and their kid's friends. This never works. The teen is living in the age of required selfishness so they just take and take. Unfortunately the teen eventually resents mom and dad for not providing what they actually need, boundaries, guidelines, respect, and love. A good parent draws the boundaries and enforces them with compassionate efficiency. The boundaries will be pushed and that is a good thing. As the teen learns and earns trust with their parents the boundaries are expanded. The other problem parent is the overly busy parent that has no time for their kids. The worst thing I see happen with teens is the parent throwing their kid a wad of cash and saying see you later! No guidance, no rules, no boundaries, no involvement whatsoever, trouble always ensues and the teenager while reveling in the independence initially eventually begins to resent their parents because they obviously don't care about them enough to set the boundaries and teach them what life is about.
I have worked with youth and teens for most of my adult life in different organizations and events. Almost every happy teen I have met has strict (But not overly strict) parents that set guidelines and boundaries and enforce them compassionate efficiency. I have seen these kids say "I hate my parents, they're so mean" when they don't get their way, and the kid next to them says "at least they care!" This usually makes the complainer stop and think. I have seen teens say to other teens with strict or involved parents "Your parents are so cool! They show up and help out! I wish my mom or dad would do that."
Make the task relevant to the teen and they will engage. Establish the boundaries and enforce them. I have three children that all have a working understanding of the tools in my shop. Recently my older kids (27 and 25) have both expressed interest in wood working they didn't when they were younger but they do now. My 15 YO son wants nothing to do with my woodworking and has even told me so. I just have to find a way to make it relevant to him and be patient. In the meantime, if I need a helper in the shop, he gets called to assist and I take the time to try and teach him a few things while I'm at it. He'll come around eventually. I see it already in the things he says and his general behavior around his friends. Patience is really required when working with teens.
Just my fifty cents on the subject.
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bikermike81 wrote:First off all you guys out there who say you open up your shop to people and neighbors what not, any of you guys live in san diego ? Lord knows i could use some guidance on how to turn and fully utilize my greenie. Secondly i may be one of the younger extremes on the forum being only 29 But i did go to a voc high school that offered cabinetry but the bug didnt bite then. The bug bit me when a coworker of mine sold me a crappy nearly worthless craftsman router and bench top router table after that i was sold and havent turned back since. For those of you griping about the change in lifestyles and what not im with you guys people just dont do that anymore but may i suggest a book called Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work? I found it in my ships library over my last deployment and just could not put it down for the life of me. We could go on and on about the demise of wood working and many other trades/ hobbies forever one thing is certain that has been repeated over and over through this thread and that was share your knowledge . I personally thank you all for doing such.
-Mike
ps: i have posted a few of my projects at lumberjocks listed under Mike R. if anyone was interested , it's just so much easier to post there.
Mike is always welcome at my mess, er I mean shop. I believe he knows how to get here.]
I too was exposed in junior high woodshop. It was my favorite class.
My dad died when I was about 8, and he had a nice little shop in our basement where I diddled around and am proably lucky I didn't put mt eye out. There was hand planes, a few crank type hand drills, a beltsander, a 1958 or so Craftsman table saw (still have and the original Craftsman motor still runs), an ols bench vise and a drill press. I spent hours down there. Dulled every tool I could find:D Then life takes over. I have been in the HVAC industry for 30 years and I figured out that stuff is sharper than wood!
I am 46 and going to surprise everyone with little gifts this year. I'm hopinh to get my 17 year ols and my 27 year old boys interested in woodworking. I have only a couple honey do-s left then ist SS time:D
By the way a sheetmetal layout journey man is almost extinct anymore, plasma tables, factory made stuff and millions of boxes of flex have taken their toll.
