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Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:26 pm**

hahaha. Have a good day, sir. I'm done commenting.

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:39 pm**

For the record, I sent an apology to Keakap in private. I get too worked up over politics. We're all Americans here. God bless.

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:08 pm**

fredsheldon wrote:It takes at least a mile for a fast moving train to stop and reverse direction especially when the fireman and oiler refuse to assist in applying the brakes.

Fred, the engineer has his fist FIRMLY on the throttle, and shows NO sign of slacking off. Who cares what the oiler and fireman are doing?

steve

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:22 pm**

wlhayesmfs wrote:If anyone thinks they can make sense out of this president they are lost. I have gone from being able to retire at age 65 before he took office to not being able to retire at all since he took office. He take Million Dollars vacations and I have not had one in 4 years and don't see one in the near future. One thing can be said about our government. If you weren't crooked and self centered when you took office you will be in a year or two. The goal of this administration is to take all they can and keep it and turn us into a socialistic state. Most people no longer work for what they want and want to set and let someone give it to them because we owe it too them. He is building a country of mindless lazy people that feels just because they are we owe them the good life.
I feel all is lost and we will never be the nation we once were. We have become a nation of complainers and weaklings easy for the take over.

Thanks, Bill!

I've been trying to figure out why he can take multi-million dollar vacations, when I can afford a single day off every so often. That day off involves going to NO WHERE, not Hawaii like he does. I may go the grocery store, if there's a decent sale on.

But, I can afford HIS Hawaii vacation!

steve

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:31 pm**

keakap wrote:What happened?

Teddy Roosevelt.
Woodrow Wilson.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
J.F. Kennedy.
Lyndon Johnson.
William Clinton.
B. Hussein Soetoro/Obama

Socialism and Communism happened to us.

You might want to re-consider JFK, there, but CAPITALIZE LBJ! I don't think JFK was a progressive, but his Veep sure was! (Notice that progressive was not capitalized, that was on purpose.) progressivism is the ROOT of all American evil!

I wouldn't put BHO on that list, either. He is more straight communist/socialist, and following the Cloward/Piven ticket. He is not acting stupidly, (unlike the police) he is following DIRECT orders from (Soros) above! When this Country falls, let it be known, it wasn't an accident, or bad policy. It was WELL thought out!

If you want an eye opener, look up George Soros, Cloward and Piven. Also, look up where we're heading! Rapidly!!

steve

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:41 pm**

Gampa wrote:I remember part of my enlistment oath said "To protect my country from enemies both foreign and domestic." More and more I feel the enemy is domestic.

Gampa, so do I. I took the same Oath.

On your Post Office issue, I was not aware of it, until last Wednesday. I was on Jury Duty, and one of my panel members was a Mailman. He told me about the 5 BILLION dollar a year bill, the post office has to pay, to cover FUTURE employees, through (if memory serves me) 2050.

Until then, I was not aware. Our "media" does such a "wonderful" job. (Can we fire them, too? VTBO?

steve

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:40 pm**

keakap wrote:Funny, I never thought before of separating GS Dept of the Army from Army (etc.) employees. I'm all for any raises given to our military volunteers, but I see no reason for GS employees (non-military) getting raises in these times.

So those of us in uniform are deserving of a cost-of-living adjustment to avoid being paid less and less every year but the civilian sitting at the desk next to me doesn't ? These are the people that develop our training, write our manuals and train our soldiers. They deliver medical care, dental care, legal assistance and pay. They deploy with the Army (I have two civilian employees on a temporary deployment in Afghanistan now) and are just as dedicated to the mission as the service members they support.

I understand that sacrifices are to be made to deal with the US debt and budget problem. I just don't understand why that sacrifice is only expected to be made by those individuals who actually show up to work everyday and contribute to the defense of this country as opposed to those that sit at home and collect checks, food stamps, subsidized rent and free cell phones.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:53 pm**

Had to reread post#68 to make sure it was Cloward and not Clower (as in Jerry)!:D
BPR

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:07 pm**

major_bob wrote:So those of us in uniform are deserving of a cost-of-living adjustment to avoid being paid less and less every year but the civilian sitting at the desk next to me doesn't ? These are the people that develop our training, write our manuals and train our soldiers. They deliver medical care, dental care, legal assistance and pay. They deploy with the Army (I have two civilian employees on a temporary deployment in Afghanistan now) and are just as dedicated to the mission as the service members they support.

I understand that sacrifices are to be made to deal with the US debt and budget problem. I just don't understand why that sacrifice is only expected to be made by those individuals who actually show up to work everyday and contribute to the defense of this country as opposed to those that sit at home and collect checks, food stamps, subsidized rent and free cell phones.

I don't know that that is what was being said here regarding military vs federal employee but what I think should happen is that all federal government employees (military included) should be placed on the same pay scale, same medical benefits, same subsistence allowance, same quarters allowance, same travel pay, same retirement plan, same vacation schedule, same hostile duty pay, same dress code, same code of conduct, etc, etc.

There is much said about equal pay for equal work. I think that would be great. It might be difficult determining which federal job description is equivalent to that of a combat member who jumps out of a plane into hostile territory to get to work but nobody said it would be easy.

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:34 pm**

I love that bill they just passed to save us from the "fiscal cliff" (which, as has been said, we went over a long time ago). It's more of the same policies that caused the problems we're in by the same people that caused them in the first place.

Yeah, surely it will work this time.

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RE: The Fiscal Cliff and punishing those who screw things up!