PowerPro - good news

[riot_nrrd]

Got my call last week while in NYC... looks like it will arive MONDAY! <cough cough> Say, I'm already feeling a little under the weather.... <achoo!> sounds like a sick day coming up to me.... or at the very least, a day for telecommuting...

[beeg]

Got my call last week while in NYC... looks like it will arive MONDAY! <cough cough> Say, I'm already feeling a little under the weather.... <achoo!> sounds like a sick day coming up to me.... or at the very least, a day for telecommuting...

Telecommuting Monday, SICK day Tuesday to change it over.

[riot_nrrd]

Got my call last week while in NYC... looks like it will arive MONDAY!...

BTW, I ordered mine as what I believe is part of the second production run...

[mickyd]

Got my call last week while in NYC... looks like it will arive MONDAY! <cough cough> Say, I'm already feeling a little under the weather.... <achoo!> sounds like a sick day coming up to me.... or at the very least, a day for telecommuting...

You DO KNOW that a cold is very contagious for 3 days?? Consider other employees.

Have fun with your new toy.

[horologist]

[font=&quot]Got mine running tonight.

The video is an invaluable resource and I highly recommend playing it on a laptop on your bench as you work. I watched the video and read the manual before starting although I did skip the part about applying the new stickers. More on that later

Some comments ...

1. The ground wire is considerably shorter than in the DVD. Had to make an extension to complete the installation.

2. I also can't plug my machine into an outlet with GFI.

3. The area around the bearings and the shafts for the idler and upper drive sleeve assy. get *hot*, this happens in fairly short order at high speed. I'm not sure if this is normal, unfortunately my manual is missing the Use Instructions section. I plan to call Customer Service tomorrow and ask about the heat.

4. The machine is remarkably quiet even at 9500 RPM.

5. My power switch only had two terminals, instead of the required four. (Type C headstock) Fortunately my dad had a spare that I could borrow. This variation is the only one that was not mentioned in the manual. My machine sat unused in a barn ignored by the original owner (a neighbor) for ten years before I got it and had Bill Mayo perform an overhaul so it is likely the original switch. Overall I think Shopsmith did a superb job of accounting for all the possible variations that could be encountered. I'm sure this was quite a task.

6. I decided to salvage the labels, especially as they were wrinkled. Later I did realize that the wrinkled portion is a clear protective sheet that is supposed to be removed when you set the machine up. An artists pallet knife made removing the stickers a simple task, no damage to sticker or paint. Removing the adhesive was a little trickier. The best way seems to be to apply goo gone until the adhesive becomes a gooey mess. Then pull as much of the goo from the machine with dry paper towels. Finally clean with denatured alcohol.

7. I cheated on opening the hole in the motor pan. Dreading an hour of struggling with the rat tail file I decided to use my Unibits (a stepped drill designed for drilling in thin sheet metal) With the pan on the floor and held between my knees I was able to open the hole to the required size in about 20 seconds, another 45 seconds of light filing to fine tune and I was done. Slow drill speed and feed rate are the key.

8. Removing the upper drive sleeve assy. was a bear, finally after applying liquid wrench and a half day delay I was able to remove this part. In the struggle I managed to lose a Timmerman clip, it must have fallen through a hole in the floor that has since closed up. Fortunately I had one of these that fell out from the dash on my Jeep a few months ago. An exact fit. And my dad thinks I should get rid of my Jeep!

Troy

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[charlese]

A couple of quick comments - All of my shop is set up with GFCI outlets. My favorite outlets - the ones I always used with the Mark V - are down stream from a 20 amp GFCI outlet. All others are fed from GFCI breakers in the box. Just my luck - the favorite outlets will not support the PowerPro. With all others there is no problem. Guess that 20 amp outlet's breaker is a little too weak! Seems strange to me as the PP is supposed to use less power than the Mark V.

I didn't try to remove the old safety labels, as the instructions said they were very hard to remove. The new labels covered the old ones nicely.

Now is the time I should admit I finally used the Dremel tool to finish the new power cord hole after my arms got tired. Wish I had one of those stepped drill bits. Sounds like a winner.

I was lucky in that I ordered a new power switch. I did so because my old switch had malfunctioned and I had to switch the wires to the other side of it. When talking to SS, Dave told me the PP only used two terminals (whoops Dave!) I ordered the new switch based on the advertising video.

The machine runs sweet! Even at 10,000 RPM or 250. Saws beautifully, Strip Sands very smoothly, but with the Band saw, the headstock chatters something awful in a pulsating way. Will call SS tomorrow about this situation, plus have a few more questions.

P.S. The shop must be very quiet in order for me to hear the musical notes when turning on the machine.

[nuhobby]

Thanks, Gents, for your summaries...

Troy, like you, luckily I had a stepped drill-bit for that power-cord hole, saved me a lot of time.

Chuck, Troy,
For the GFCI "trip," I think it probably has something to do with harmonic small currents in the ground lug. I don't think we're hitting anything near 20A absolute. I suspect the 2-3mA I measured on my ground-lug may have higher peaks or frequencies at a multiple of 60Hz, so that it trips a 5mA GFCI.

Chuck,
For your Bandsaw "chatter," I feared you might get this. I now run my bandsaw on an old Shorty, but I saw some chatter with my heavy Sanding Disk on the Power Pro. I've posted some comments on a couple of other threads recently. I think the speed-control algorithm is hitting a resonant point (repeatedly going slightly above and below 900rpm) when there is a large-diameter "wheel" on the spindle load. This resonance (I'm guessing?) makes the rotational play between quill-shaft and drive-sleeve chatter. This is only my theory now. I wanted to see if other folks had the same observation before getting too excited.

[dusty]

Thanks, Gents, for your summaries...

Troy, like you, luckily I had a stepped drill-bit for that power-cord hole, saved me a lot of time.

Chuck, Troy,
For the GFCI "trip," I think it probably has something to do with harmonic small currents in the ground lug. I don't think we're hitting anything near 20A absolute. I suspect the 2-3mA I measured on my ground-lug may have higher peaks or frequencies at a multiple of 60Hz, so that it trips a 5mA GFCI.

Chuck,
For your Bandsaw "chatter," I feared you might get this. I now run my bandsaw on an old Shorty, but I saw some chatter with my heavy Sanding Disk on the Power Pro. I've posted some comments on a couple of other threads recently. I think the speed-control algorithm is hitting a resonant point (repeatedly going slightly above and below 900rpm) when there is a large-diameter "wheel" on the spindle load. This resonance (I'm guessing?) makes the rotational play between quill-shaft and drive-sleeve chatter. This is only my theory now. I wanted to see if other folks had the same observation before getting too excited.

I believe you are absolutely correct in your analysis of the GFI issue. Recall that a GFI breaker does not sense load current. It senses the balance in currents on the hot (black) and neutral (white) lines. If they are not equal there will be some current on the high speed trip line, the GFI trips and shuts down the circuit.

Less sensitive GFI breakers would be the first thing I would attempt rather than giving up my GFI protection all together. Go to an electrical outlet store (not the box stores or even ACE) and ask for help.

This may help to understand the issue.

[robinson46176]

Go to an electrical outlet store

There is a huge "outlet mall" over west of us that has dozens and dozens of stores... Who would have thought that that many people would need new electrical outlets...

[riot_nrrd]

Interestingly, the mounting rails on my motor seem to be drilled for only four mounting screws, rather than six... two per side, rather than three per side.

Since it is the outer four (only the middle missing), I am thinking of just hooking it up with four for now and calling Shopsmith in the morning... another option would be drilling and tapping two more holes (I think I have a metric tap and dies set somewhere to do that)....

Any one else run into this?