Tablesaw Safety Goes Under the Microscope--Again

[robinson46176]

Yeah! A hula Hoop is a tremendous stretch!!!

Maybe a hatchet is a better comparison. How about a drawknife, there is an accident waiting to happen...

Then after you get everybody nice and safe they get bored and go jump out of airplanes hanging onto a piece of cloth or they tie rubber bands around their ankles and jump off of bridges...


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[Ed in Tampa]

There are two things here that you do not understand. One is the nature of Indiana's equine liability laws. I am considered an "equine professional" under Indiana law. If they come to my horse farm they are at that point participating in an "equine activity". It has been tested and is holding up very well.

The other is that I already have very deep pockets and have too much to lose to not carry a little more insurance to protect my pockets. It would be very foolish of me to not carry a little better than average insurance.

Farmer
You are right I don't know the equine liability laws of Indiana nor your financial position. I shouldn't have said anything. I was just offering a word to the wise.
Ed in Tampa

[ddvann79]

... Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I own a number of guns, and they are all far more dangerous than a hula hoop.

C'mon...

How about a little leniency with exaggeration to make a point. Wannabe's general point is still sound - proper use and observation of safety practices reduces the danger component. Period.

Now excuse me while I go reload my hula hoop.

[Ed in Tampa]

I think we are missing the real truths here.

First I believe we all want to be safe and we realize we play a part in how safe we are. However I think each of us if given a choice would take the SawStop technology if it were offered as a no cost option.

Second I believe most of us resent being told or forced into anything. This country was founded on the principal of freedom and to legislate anything on us causes our fur to hackle up.

Third along with this freedom come responsibility. I sure don't want to see my inusrance or tax dollars increase because someone cuts off his hand because he refused to work safe and doesn't have insurance and now wants free public health care.

If I were King here is what I would do.

I would ask every saw manufacture to offer their product with and without Sawstop technology. Let each of us make our own decision whether the extra cost was something we felt necessary or not.

I would make everyone understand that if they cut ther hand off they are going to foot the bill not anyone else. And along with that anyone that doesn't use Sawstop type technology will be be low priority as far as receiving health care if an accident does occur. In otherwords if two people arrive at ER with the same problem a saw cut hand and one had Sawstop type technology installed and in use and the other didn't the one with the technology would be seen first.

Third while you have freedom to make a decision if you choose not to take advantage of the latest safety equipment (Sawstop technology) you lose the right to sue should you have an accident that would have been avoided by using the latest and greatest.

In other words you have total freedom but along with the freedom comes the reality that you will not be able to effect others adversely in any way should you get hurt. You want the choice then you take the responsibility and that is exactly where many people fail to make the connection.

[pennview]

Ed, you've got some good points there, but the real problem is those elected officials. They're mostly lawyers and then they write the laws that make law suits profitable for lawyers. If we stop sending lawyers to state capitals and Washington, life would be so much simpler.

[pennview]

Ed, you've got some good points there, but the real problem is those elected officials. They're mostly lawyers and then they write the laws that make law suits profitable for lawyers. If we stop sending lawyers to state capitals and Washington, life would be so much simpler.

[charlese]

Hi, Ed! Sometimes I wish you were King! Except you'd have to leave my silicone alone:rolleyes: .

Stay safe!

[foxtrapper]

why should we be protecting idiots from themselves?

Because often times we're the idiot.

That's why table saws these days have blade guards.

...general point is still sound - proper use and observation of safety practices reduces the danger component.

I don't think there's been a post by anyone in this thread that goes against that. But that doesn't make something inherently safe. That's the part I was disagreeing with.

A lot of folk get the strange notion that if you practice safety, things are perfectly safe. That is not true. Things break, things don't work right, things go wrong. When something goes wrong with a hulahoop it's a whole lot less exciting than when something goes wrong with a gun or a table saw.

[terrydowning]

I saw someone break a tooth with a hula hoop once. They were twirling it on one ankle and skipping with the other ankle. They tripped and down they want face first! Broke a tooth.

[robinson46176]

In other words you have total freedom but along with the freedom comes the reality that you will not be able to effect others adversely in any way should you get hurt. You want the choice then you take the responsibility and that is exactly where many people fail to make the connection.

Yep. I believe that an injury suit should maybe cover actual medical cost and reasonable cost of living. The process should be a protection, not an opportunity...

Note too that much of the time only the lawyers win in those things. I have a sil who's family has been waiting on a huge settlement for about 20 years. Every time they contact the lawyers it is always "just a few more months, just a few more months". I have long ago forgotten the details except that it is far cheaper to the mega corp involved to keep it tied up with their in-house lawyers who are already on full time payroll anyway than to pay it knowing that eventually attrition will likely eventually make it fade away.
It all reminds me of an old joke about a sweet little old couple who were 100 years old who went in to file for a divorce. The clerk was incredulous at their request and ask why after so long together. They said that they had planned it for a long time but just put it off because they wanted to wait until the kids were all dead...


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