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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:38 pm
by JPG
fiatben wrote:Ya know, all
I wanted to know was how to fix it easy.... sheesh!!
You guys crack me up!!! I guess that's why I hang around here so much...
I thought I had done that in post #60, but I said too much and a certain Mechanical Injuneer took issue with my unqualified Electrical injuneer's inaccurate vocabulary!:D
At least I (re)learned something(I think!?).
In any event since you have a potential source for a replacement, there is no harm in 'trying'. Alternatively save it in its 'bent'/'sprung' condition and use it later for a jig.
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:42 pm
by SDSSmith
JPG40504 wrote:OK so sprung is the result of low stress magnitude force applied at widely distributed locations causing plastic deformation just beyond the elastic limit(yield point) and bent is the result of more localized deformation at a stress magnitude greatly exceeding the elastic limit which results in crystal lattice deformation SIMILAR to that created by repeated plastic flow.
Close enough???
Not sure what sprung is, but things bend when the force on them causes the stresses inside to exceed the yield point. Now I thought when the trap was "sprung" you hoped you caught something.
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:04 pm
by JPG
SDSSmith wrote:Not sure what sprung is, but things bend when the force on them causes the stresses inside to exceed the yield point. Now I thought when the trap was "sprung" you hoped you caught something.
I thought 'dumb animals'
tripped traps! The 'trapper'
springs the trap when he 'sets' it!
BTW What does 'sprung' mean? Is that a hyper-extended spring?
Ben sure has a tolerant streak!:D
So you only recognize one variety of 'bending'. I see degrees. Slightly bent can usually be reasonably corrected, more bent cannot, and fractured is a total lost cause.

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:53 pm
by SDSSmith
JPG40504 wrote:I thought 'dumb animals'
tripped traps! The 'trapper'
springs the trap when he 'sets' it!
BTW What does 'sprung' mean? Is that a hyper-extended spring?
Ben sure has a tolerant streak!:D
So you only recognize one variety of 'bending'. I see degrees. Slightly bent can usually be reasonably corrected, more bent cannot, and fractured is a total lost cause.

And I thought excessive electrical current caused tripped circuit breakers and water came from springs.]
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:49 am
by JPG
SDSSmith wrote:And I thought excessive electrical current caused tripped circuit breakers and water came from springs.]
You thought correctly!:)
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:17 am
by STB
Have you found the Biscuit Jointer manual?
I recently purchased a SS that had with it a new in box biscuit jointer attachment with the 11 page parts & instruction manual. I can scan the document & post it or email it to you.
Oh, someone actually paying attention
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 pm
by fiatben
stumpbuster wrote:Have you found the Biscuit Jointer manual?
I recently purchased a SS that had with it a new in box biscuit jointer attachment with the 11 page parts & instruction manual. I can scan the document & post it or email it to you.
Yeah, one of the regulars emailed me a PDF. Got it printed out and going into my master book of all things SS! Now I just got to figure out what size the Housing Collar Capscrew is so that I can actually attach it to my 510.
I don't know how anyone would manage nearly as well to run/maintain/understand/restore/refurbish one of these machines without this forum!!
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:07 pm
by JPG
fiatben wrote:Yeah, one of the regulars emailed me a PDF. Got it printed out and going into my master book of all things SS! Now I just got to figure out what size the Housing Collar Capscrew is so that I can actually attach it to my 510.
I don't know how anyone would manage nearly as well to run/maintain/understand/restore/refurbish one of these machines without this forum!!
10-24 x 1 1/2" cap screw. It should have a 5/32" socket! May also be called a 3/16-24 x 1 1/2".
check yer PM
Out of the dust and rust.
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:10 am
by jamiethesquid
My father in law passed away last year and, like me was an avid woodworker, I had only known him for a few years, as he was my mother in laws second husband, he was an Annapolis Naval Academy, grad of the class of '57, a career Naval aviator and a great guy. So a couple of weeks ago my Mother in law tells me that, that "saw thing" that is in the basement is yours if you want it. I had seen the Shop Smith in the basement before but knew very little about it, and the one time I had tried to use it to cut a 2 by 4 it groaned horribly and emitted a god awful burning rubber smell.
So I grab my trusty "bright as the sun" LED flashlight and go down to take a look. I had previously only seen these machines in dusty old magazines and thought them to be a novelty really, I am 34 years old and a Navy veteran myself, but I was always under the impression that to own the individual tools ie. Table saw/ band saw/ joiner/ drill press/ lathe would be preferrable, and much more capable than this "do it all, good but not great" tool would be. So like any other guy my age, I went to Google, and started digging up some info and history on this machine. I already own a respectable spread of home woodworking equipment and have never met a tool I couldn't use in one way or another. So it was never a question of if I was going to use it. But rather a question of how often or how useful would this machine be.
Fast forward a couple of weeks, and my opinions couldn't be more different. I have been reading countless articles online, watched a hundred You Tube vids. Been reading this forum for three days straight. I am convinced that this is "THE" machine that I have been searching for, all along, I just didn't know it. The Mark 5, I speak of is a June of 1954 made machine, SN 271605. It has a Gilmer belt drive and a 3/4 HP motor. it has a bandsaw and a joiner whose vintage I've yet to determine. I intend to fully restore this machine to full working order in the very near future and use it regularly. I ordered today from Shopsmith the owners manual. My only issue so far is the Color/Age combination. The machine is very dark grey/black, not at all like the "Greenies" I see on this forum. It may have been repainted long ago, but the condition of the machine and the fact that every nook and crannie is this color leads me to believe otherwise. I have taken a few pictures so far and will be uploading numerous pics very soon, as I believe that seeing is believing. I look forward to many hours reading and posting on the forum. Nice to meet you. Jamie
Out of the dust and rust.
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:19 am
by jamiethesquid
My father in law passed away last year and, like me was an avid woodworker, I had only known him for a few years, as this was my mother in laws second husband, he was an Annapolis Naval Academy, grad of the class of '57, a career Naval aviator and a great guy. So a couple of weeks ago my Mother in law tells me that that "saw thing" that is in the basement is mine if I want it. I had seen the Shop Smith in the basement before but knew very little about it as the one time I had tried to use it to cut a 2 by 4 it groaned horribly and emitted a god awful burning rubber smell.
So I grab my trusty "bright as the sun" LED flashlight and go down to take a look. I had previously only seen these machines in dusty old magazines and thought them to be a novelty really, I am 34 years old and a Navy veteran myself, but I was always under the impression that to own the individual tools ie Table saw/ band saw/ joiner/ drill press/ lathe would be much more capable than this "do it all, good but not great" tool would be. So like any other guy my age, I went to Google, and started digging up some info and history on this machine. I already own a respectable spread of home woodworking equipment and have never met a tool I couldn't use in one way or another. So it was never a question of if I was going to use it. But rather a question of how often or how useful would this machine be.
Fast forward a couple of weeks, and my opinions couldn't be more different. I have been reading countless articles online, watched a hundred You Tube vids. Been reading this forum for three days straight. I am convinced that this is "THE" machine that I have been searching for, all along, I just didn't know it. The Mark 5, I speak of is a June of 1954 made machine, SN 271605. It has a Gilmer belt drive and a 3/4 HP motor. it has a bandsaw and a joiner whose vintage I've yet to determine. I intend to fully restore this machine to full working order in the very near future and use it regularly. I ordered today from shopsmith the owners manual. My only issue so far is the Color/Age combination. The machine is very dark grey/black, not at all like the "Greenies" I see on this forum. It may have been repainted long ago, but the condition of the machine and the fact that every nook and Frankie is this color leads memto believe otherwise. I have taken some pictures so far and will be uploading numerous pics very soon, as I believe that seeing is believing. I look forward to many hours reading and posting on the forum. Nice to meet you. Jamie