3" Caster Upgrade - My Review

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:46 am

Something is not assembled correctly unless you over used the tube stretcher.

fjimp · Post by **fjimp** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:26 pm

dusty wrote:Something is not assembled correctly unless you over used the tube stretcher.

My thought exactly. Both of mine fit perfectly first try. Jim

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:48 am

JPG40504 wrote:Question is, the distance the tubes are inserted into the castings.

I do not understand how increasing the leg c-c distance affects the caster height.

How far do the 'holes' miss?

I would look for assembly alterations before drilling any new holes.

Ed - Have you encountered this? Never mind - ya gots them red things under the bench tubes!

The angle of the legs change, when the legs are closer together the casters are further from the ground. The legs were closer together before the double-tilt upgrade. If I put a screw in on one side the other screw misses by about 3/8" and you can see the gap. Before the legs were fully inset into the both castings, with the double-tilt the instructions say to leave an equal gap on both side of about 1/8" - 3/16" of an inch.

reible · Post by **reible** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:51 am

paulmcohen wrote:The angle of the legs change, when the legs are closer together the casters are further from the ground. The legs were closer together before the double-tilt upgrade. If I put a screw in on one side the other screw misses by about 3/8" and you can see the gap. Before the legs were fully inset into the both castings, with the double-tilt the instructions say to leave an equal gap on both side of about 1/8" - 3/16" of an inch.

If you have the instructions in front of you now could you go to page 6 Left End Reassembly and then look at #2. The bench tubes need to be inserted until they hit the stop ribs in the casting, ie fully inserted. If you go to the next page under NOTE it explains a bit more about how important it is to do this.

This is repeated for the right side instructions. This is critical.

The way tubes on the other hand are to be centered and they slide about 3/8" so centering them leaves with about 3/16" free space on each end.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I read from your previous posting? Anyway that is what I got out of it and of I'm correct then this will fix things once the tube situation is fixed.

Ed

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:41 am

paulmcohen wrote:The angle of the legs change, when the legs are closer together the casters are further from the ground. The legs were closer together before the double-tilt upgrade. If I put a screw in on one side the other screw misses by about 3/8" and you can see the gap. Before the legs were fully inset into the both castings, with the double-tilt the instructions say to leave an equal gap on both side of about 1/8" - 3/16" of an inch.

Paul: I hope you have resolved this issue all ready but if not please consider rechecking the bench tubes for proper insertion into the Base Assemblies per the installation instructions referenced by Reible.

You can do this by simply laying down on the floor and inspecting the bench tubes. On both ends the tubes should be inserted far enough to engage the stops cast into the Base Assemblies.

For safety reasons it is important that the bench tubes are properly inserted and secured. If not and one comes loose you could have a disaster on your hands.

I see this as the only explanation for why your accessory table does not fit as it did before the upgrade. The upgrade did not alter the Mark V foot print.

Good Luck

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:45 am

reible wrote:If you have the instructions in front of you now could you go to page 6 Left End Reassembly and then look at #2. The bench tubes need to be inserted until they hit the stop ribs in the casting, ie fully inserted. If you go to the next page under NOTE it explains a bit more about how important it is to do this.

This is repeated for the right side instructions. This is critical.

The way tubes on the other hand are to be centered and they slide about 3/8" so centering them leaves with about 3/16" free space on each end.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I read from your previous posting? Anyway that is what I got out of it and of I'm correct then this will fix things once the tube situation is fixed.

Ed

Yes I inserted the bench tubes all the way in until the hit the ribs. For the way tubes they are correctly centered 3/16" free on each end.

The issue is the legs have a lot of play in the new double-tilt housing. The instructions say turn the unit right side up, make sure the legs level on the floor and tighten the bolts. After this the legs are further apart then they were before but the casters work perfectly and the headstock slides with the slightest touch. The only issue is the shelf no longer fits. If I loosen the legs and get the shelf to fit the legs are not flat on the floor and the casters don't work without washers.

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:47 am

dusty wrote:
I see this as the only explanation for why your accessory table does not fit as it did before the upgrade. The upgrade did not alter the Mark V foot print.

Good Luck

I think it did change the footprint, the angle of the legs is different then before.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:10 pm

IIUC, the accessory shelf is drilled to the leg holes initially.

Could it be that the legs were not 'flat footed' then?

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:42 am

JPG40504 wrote:IIUC, the accessory shelf is drilled to the leg holes initially.

Could it be that the legs were not 'flat footed' then?

Based on my experience with the casters I am sure they were not flat footed before I did the double-tilt upgrade. Who drilled the holes? If it was me that would explain it.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:22 am

paulmcohen wrote:Based on my experience with the casters I am sure they were not flat footed before I did the double-tilt upgrade. Who drilled the holes? If it was me that would explain it.

I can not envision this so I suppose I should just let it go but if the legs were not flat footed and yet the accessory shelf fit doesn't that mean the legs were pulled too close together. Now, based on the photo, the legs are too far apart.

Oh well, it is good to know that you are back in business and making sawdust. After all, that is why you have all this gear. To make sawdust.