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Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:57 pm**

So now everyone who has posted on this thread(myself included) is going back to see if they qualify under your description: "When narrow minded vitriolic speech is used you become part of the problem."

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:19 pm**

If you feel you need to do that the go right ahead.

If not, then don't.

This is after just an Internet forum principally about wood working.

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:42 pm**

benush26 wrote:..
I am sorry for any harm my actions caused by starting this thread ...he New Year bring all of you an abundance of that which you hold most dear.
Ben

Imho you cannot do harm by starting a discussion.
Any harm is done by a response that is foolishly angry and childish (and/or false). (add) And I don't think any harm was done in this thread.

And yes I agree we should be very thankful to have freedom of speech protected. Else how will people know that the Left & MSM is trying to shut that down?

Peace, freedom and happiness to you and yours.

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:58 pm**

terrydowning wrote:...

For any person (regardless of political affiliation) that believes that their political party has all the answers:

You're dreaming!! ... When narrow minded vitriolic speech is used you become part of the problem.
...
This has certainly been an interesting read.

Agreed, agreed, agreed, etc.

I too am Independent of either party, for a number of reasons. No more appropriate one could I imagine than the recent economic bill just passed "Smoke & Mirrors" I think it is called.

Alarms go off in mah haid when I see a comment about politics contain something like "MY Party" using capitals along side "america" not using the Capital.

I keep hearing and seeing, in media that is still not Left biased, a little latin item "ad hominem". It can be a metering device of sorts: if you say or respond to something and not so much what you say is contested but you are personally attacked, you can be comfortable in knowing that you are most likely correct.
Alike, what either party did is not contestable. Anger at the truth tells you a lot about the person, methinks.

But sometimes- and I have seen it happen- someone will see things said and actually look into 'em, and (gasp) learn from it!

;-0

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:51 pm**

terrydowning wrote:Ben,
No apology needed IMHO.

Reading this thread I find myself looking for my tin foil hat and online law degree (doesn't every one on the internet have one of these?)

Unfortunately one the problems of this country has been manifested here in our own forum.

For any person (regardless of political affiliation) that believes that their political party has all the answers:

You're dreaming!! Just as no one person has all the answers, no single political point of view has all the answers. When narrow minded vitriolic speech is used you become part of the problem.

There has always been a divide in this country when it comes to how we will govern ourselves. Heck the first draft of the Constitution took 11 years and several revisions to even come up for ratification, and then it took an additional 10 amendments to pass. 13 years from Declaration of Independence (an incredibly radical and progressive document) to Constitution which IMHO is a very moderate and sane approach to governing.

Winston Churchill said In a speech in the House of Commons on 11 November 1947, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."

That being said, our government is NOT a pure democracy rather it is a federal republic based on democratic principles.

When our elected representatives decide to serve something other than their constituency and the nation's best interest, the problems begin. When we the people fail to act on this misbehavior we begin the entrenchment of these problems. Those voting for and supporting elected representatives based solely on political ideology support this entrenchment.

On to the Original Post.

Write to your elected officials and share your concerns, register to vote and VOTE. (If you're not a registered voter, you are automatically not part of the elected representatives constituency and your voice will not be heard). I make it a point to attempt to fire elected representatives that I either do not agree with or do not trust. Party affiliation means nothing to me (Independent voter here) as the 2 main parties have essentially blended into one giant club of self serving vipers that use political affiliation as a tool to garner financial backing and political favor rather than solve problems. These are about the only options we have. Communicate and vote.

This has certainly been an interesting read.

Terry and others, I couldn't agree more. Just like you, I seen boneheads all around and plenty for all to have some. Then I look for those who will try to come together to reach a reasonable and workable solution. Did too many database programs to think that IT or users are the only ones who know or have the right answers. From my experience in the IT world, learned that most of my IT colleagues didnt' have a clue how to deliver to the customer, but made the customer cow tail to the IT department. Not a real solution and brought much high level screaming. It's always better to try to find a solution on which we can agree and work on the points we don't agree to another time so that we can keep things moving forward. Shoot! I find I have similar problems with a Shopsmith sometimes. So, far, I've been smarter and accomplished my projects when the SS was designed to do what I wanted. But, I "got r dun". LOL

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