Shorty Drill Press not perpendicular to floor, any ideas?

[dusty]

Wait, now seeing the above from JPG I don't know if I'm confused now. The vertical assembly should be able to over-rotate past 90°. I have no idea what the 91.3° on the level thingy means, which direction is less than 90° on that thing?

Anyway, here's what I posted before:

Just to clarify everything, am I correct that the way tube assembly is under-rotating in vertical mode?

You should be able to see if the base arm is bottoming out on the base, though I can't understand how that could happen unless the parts are mis-shaped. If that's not the issue I think that base arm may not be able to fully rotate on the hinge pin. You've done a beautiful job on restoring all the pieces, but you probably didn't confirm the base arm had full rotation before you started working on it, so it may not have worked right before. Even if it did work previously the hinge pin or casting could be imperfect and they previously settled into an orientation that wasn't problematic. You may be able to find that again, or maybe you'll just need a new hinge pin.

The Wixey indicates that it has over rotated by 1.3 degrees. That is more than my two over rotate but it is in the same direction.

[Mike]

Dusty-I have no communication problems, I’ve stated what I want to do numerous times and just did so again in answer to your comments. I’ve answered with pictures, measurements and explanations throughout almost 10 pages of posts. I’ve done the best I can as respectfully as I can. Thank you.

[dusty]

Took everything apart and back together, very little change so will figure out how much to grind to get it closer to a permanent 90. This will allow lock to line up and sink in deeper for a more permanent lock. I know many will disagree and I very much respect your opinions.
Thank you all

The Wixey in these pictures contradict a previous picture and these (all three) indicate under rotation. Read the little bitty arrow along with the numbers.

[dusty]

Dusty-I have no communication problems, I’ve stated what I want to do numerous times and just did so again in answer to your comments. I’ve answered with pictures, measurements and explanations throughout almost 10 pages of posts. I’ve done the best I can as respectfully as I can. Thank you.

Good Luck with whatever you decide to do. I have just become a curious and amused bystander. Over and Out.

[JPG]

Any communication problems that we have experienced with this thread is the result of the entire discussion being over the reversal of the table/headstock/operator's position.

The original 1.3° UNDER tilt is tricky as posted. The pix is displayed rotated right.

The first pix is the reference bench tubes(0.0°).

The second(displayed rotated) pix is with it raised and the wixey positioned against the now near vertical way tubes.

The wixey is rotated clockwise as indicated by the little arrow.

The wixey indicates 91.3°. This means the wixey has been rotated 91.3° from horizontal.

IF the tubes were vertical, the wixey would have indicated 90.0°


Now the way tubes were rotated counter clockwise from 'lowered position.

The wixey was rotated 91.3°. This means the tubes are leaning BACK towards the bench tubes(UNDER ROTATED).

Took a while for me to absorbs that but Mike IS correct and John's experience is the same.



BTW it is EITHER over OR out NEVER both!

[dusty]

Any communication problems that we have experienced with this thread is the result of the entire discussion being over the reversal of the table/headstock/operator's position.

The original 1.3° UNDER tilt is tricky as posted. The pix is displayed rotated right.

The first pix is the reference bench tubes(0.0°).

The second(displayed rotated) pix is with it raised and the wixey positioned against the now near vertical way tubes.

The wixey is rotated clockwise as indicated by the little arrow.

The wixey indicates 91.3°. This means the wixey has been rotated 91.3° from horizontal.

IF the tubes were vertical, the wixey would have indicated 90.0°


Now the way tubes were rotated counter clockwise from 'lowered position.

The wixey was rotated 91.3°. This means the tubes are leaning BACK towards the bench tubes(UNDER ROTATED).

Took a while for me to absorbs that but Mike IS correct and John's experience is the same.



BTW it is EITHER over OR out NEVER both!

I disagree with your interpretation of the Wixey display. First off, if you want accurate readings zero the device on the same surface that you intend to rotate. That is, zero on the Way Tubes in horizontal mode and then rotate to vertical without touching the Wixey (in my case AngleCube). If you do this, you will see that the Ways go vertical (90 degrees from where you zeroed) and then further (over rotated). In my case to 0.65 degrees.

Over (it is all yours, I'm through talking) and Out (I am out of here).

[DLB]

Dusty-I have no communication problems, I’ve stated what I want to do numerous times and just did so again in answer to your comments. I’ve answered with pictures, measurements and explanations throughout almost 10 pages of posts. I’ve done the best I can as respectfully as I can. Thank you.

Mike - I would do what you are intending. Everything I see here says your Base is under-rotating. Every Base I checked comes very close to 90 degrees. Some here have stated that over-rotation of the Base is normal and that this number is something around 91 degrees. Reducing over-rotation requires shimming, reducing under-rotation would logically involve removal of material. When you have measured 91.3 degrees I think it is confusing some here, but it is still under-rotation of the Base. Clearly, your base is abnormal because it under-rotates. 88.7 degrees is abnormal whether we thing 90 degrees or 91 degrees is the right answer. The other measurements you've made appear (to me) to confirm that the issue is in the Base itself.

If a way tube is 85 degrees to whatever reference, one side of it will measure 85 degrees and the other side will measure 95 degrees if we use a Wixey.

- David

[JPG]

Help me understand the arrows on a wixey(I do not have one and cannot find the answer in the current "manual" online).

I assume at "0.0"(perfect) there is NO arrow displayed.

Am correct that if the wixey is tilted clock wise an UP arrow will be displayed? And if the wixey is tilted counter clockwise, a down arrow will display?

How many arrows are there?(2/4)? If 2 are they both near the top and point upward to indicate which side is "high"? Or something entirely different?


So what is correct?




ANNND is it altered around 90°?

[RFGuy]

Help me understand the arrows on a wixey(I do not have one and cannot find the answer in the current "manual" online).

I assume at "0.0"(perfect) there is NO arrow displayed.

Am correct that if the wixey is tilted clock wise an UP arrow will be displayed? And if the wixey is tilted counter clockwise, a down arrow will display?

How many arrows are there?(2/4)? If 2 are they both near the top and point upward to indicate which side is "high"? Or something entirely different?


So what is correct?




ANNND is it altered around 90°?

JPG,

Yes, you are correct. I own a Wixey Digital Angle Gauge and all the arrows indicate is which end of the Wixey is "up" vs. "down", i.e. just a tilt indicator. The manual doesn't discuss the arrows, but here is how mine behaves in actual use: There are only 2 arrows that I am aware of and they are both on the left side, one up and one down. Only one arrow comes on at a time. When zero'ed lifting the left side up will result in the up arrow turning on because the left side is now higher in elevation than the right. Conversely, lifting the right side up will result in the down arrow turning on because the left side (where arrow is located) is now lower in elevation than the right side. This is all they do that I am aware of. In fact, they are worthless when the cube is rotated a full 90° because the arrows make no sense and just stay on one or the other no matter the orientation when on its side. As an aside, when zeroing sometimes the up or the down arrow illuminate even though it says 0.0°, but other times when zero'ed it will not illuminate either arrow.

[JPG]

Can I correctly conclude that when rotated to ANY angle from 0° to 180°, the arrow only indicates the initial deviation from level as it initially was rotated? (0° to 360°?) i.e. clockwise, left side up, an up arrow, and counter clockwise right side up a down arrow regardless of the final/current positioning?