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Thought this was a cool looking gas grill. Neat idea. Wonder if you could make one out of a MarkV

Yes, that grill is cool. So is the base that it was built on.

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I never could understand the prices of these Snap-On tool boxes. At $13,270 it makes you wonder whats inside those drawers. For $13,995 you can buy a 2012 Ford Fiesta S and that's delivered. It's only $13,200 before destination charges.

pennview wrote:I never could understand the prices of these Snap-On tool boxes. At $13,270 it makes you wonder whats inside those drawers. For $13,995 you can buy a 2012 Ford Fiesta S and that's delivered. It's only $13,200 before destination charges.

Snap-On has always been very, very proud of their products.

Early in my military career, I was issued a tool box that was Snap-On and Snap-On tools. The only items that were not Snap-on were tools that they did not make and those were Craftsman. I had a few specialty tools from other manufacturers.

Then came a deployment. I got to the appointed destination but my tools did not make it. The entire units' shipment got lost somewhere. We were reissued tools but they were not Snap-On. I think the Air Force might have purchased that issue from the local market.

Back when I was doing a lot of small engine work I was wearing out 3/8ths drive 1/2 inch sockets. I ordered a Snap-on socket and it has lasted well. That was in the 1970's and I think I will have that socket paid off about this September...

I do have other Snap-on tools that I have bought at garage sales etc. and they are quite good but I also have a lot of tools of other brands that are also quite good...
I also have a lot of tools of "reasonable" quality that I use for mobile tools in places like tractor tool boxes etc. where they might grow legs and wander off.
Then I also own a lot of sort of crappy tools that are stuck back in boxes just because I can't throw away anything...
If someone comes tool borrowing guess where I go to get something?


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Almost ALL my hand tools are Craftsman and Sears paid for them. In 1963 I worked for Sears and was fired, even though I was the number 1 sales person in the department. I was a threat to the manager. The HR manager said that if I would resign it wouldn't show that I was fired and would be better for my record (liar, liar pants on fire). Stupid teenager me I did and when I tried to collect unemployment I couldn't because of the letter I signed.

Over the years Sears has purchased for me several hundreds of dollars of tools. Every time I went to a garage sale I bought anything that was Craftsman for 10 cents or 20 cents and immediately returned it to Sears for a FREE replacement. Hey, what goes around comes around and that's why Sears is in the tank today.

I have a wonderful, complete set of Craftsman tools in pristine condition that would have cost me slightly more than what I had to pay for getting back at this company. They are good quality, but they no longer offer the life time replacement. Try it and you will be told, NO.

What is to be learned? Don't lie nor cheat. Be honest with those you deal with.

A reply may be that I cheated by returning garage sale items and exchanged them for new. No, that was the guarantee from Sears. They cheated me and I had no problem with using their national advertised guarantee to get tools.

I understand your wanting to 'get back' at Sears, but your attempt to justify it as Sears 'fault' for having a replacement policy is pure rationalization.

Like you said, you did cheat them. Whether or not you got even is a different question.

Sadly you are not the only one who did that sort of thing. Because of all that, Sears apparently has been forced to renege on a long standing promise.

Sorry to hear of the change.

It's exactly rationalizations like the OP's that are the reason behind the policy being changed.

<sarcasm>Thanks dude, really, thanks</sarcasm>

pennview wrote:I never could understand the prices of these Snap-On tool boxes. At $13,270 it makes you wonder whats inside those drawers. For $13,995 you can buy a 2012 Ford Fiesta S and that's delivered. It's only $13,200 before destination charges.

The market sets the price. If you set a price higher than anyone will pay you aren't going to sell many.
In most cases it is an ego thing to roll out your snap on tool box. It is the reason people pay zillion dollars for a car that they can't drive and can be out performed by knowledgeable driver in a Chevy Cruze.

However I have a friend that owns a tour bus company and if you bring a Craftsman tool into his shop you stand a good chance of be killed. His view is sure they guaranteed but I can fix three buses by the time you run to Sears, get the tool replaced and get back here. Plus he swears Craftmans sockets and wrenched have an accepted tolerance that will allow you to round off a nut. Where other manufactures tools would not.

Years ago I use to race motorcycles and on some bikes the manufacture included German/Austria tools. I have found these tools to be the best in my tool box. Never broke one and never damaged a nut with one, but most of all never had one slip even though I could hardly see the nut through all the mud and grease.

Sears still offers their lifetime warranty on hand tools.
I use to know the manager of the local Sears Hardware store. He said they were getting real picky about showing prof of purchase. Said that was the main reason they started the rewards card. You scan that card at the register each time you made a purchase. That's how they could look up your purchase. If you had an older tool they knew you most likely did not have a receipt or anything. But newer tools, with newer model numbers, could be tracked with the rewards card.