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ecom1 wrote:What the pic showed was a 2 1/2" aftermarket dust port attached to the bottom of the lower guard - this would allow collection from directly below without interfering with the table. You could cap the existing with a plastic cap or duct tape I guess.
I believe that what you suggest would work as a dust collection port but I am uncertain as to whether or not it would improve what we already have. I suspect that most of us lack the knowledge of how air circulates within the lower saw guard. Why is the port where it is?
Hang a short section of hose off of the port on the lower saw guard and then do some heavy cutting. The collection of dust the emits from that hose (with no dust collector) will show you that the lower saw guard is quite effective. The turbulent set up by the saw blade does a very good job of moving the dust. The dust collector just sucks it up into a bag.
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ecom1 wrote:What the pic showed was a 2 1/2" aftermarket dust port attached to the bottom of the lower guard - this would allow collection from directly below without interfering with the table. You could cap the existing with a plastic cap or duct tape I guess.
I don't think that will make much difference or be worth the effort. The 510 saw guard has a channel on the side to guide the dust forced down by the blade to the port at the back.
The biggest problem is no upper saw guard dust collection. Of course if you don't use an upper saw guard disregard.
There is a person that makes SS (and most other saws) upper saw guards with a dust port. The Shark Guard from Leeway Workshop at http://www.thesharkguard.com/. I had a very very small part in perfecting the SS version when he started making the SS version in 2007. He has made many improvements in the years since. They are very well made. The picture of the SS version (one of the originals) is from 2007. The picture of my Powermatic PM2000 version is from 2014. He makes them with 2 1/2" and 4" ports.
They are a bit pricey but the workmanship is superb and will improve your dust collection by a tremendous amount. My PM2000 spews dust without the upper guard the same as the SS.
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John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
ecom1 wrote:What the pic showed was a 2 1/2" aftermarket dust port attached to the bottom of the lower guard - this would allow collection from directly below without interfering with the table. You could cap the existing with a plastic cap or duct tape I guess.
I believe that what you suggest would work as a dust collection port but I am uncertain as to whether or not it would improve what we already have. I suspect that most of us lack the knowledge of how air circulates within the lower saw guard. Why is the port where it is?
Hang a short section of hose off of the port on the lower saw guard and then do some heavy cutting. The collection of dust the emits from that hose (with no dust collector) will show you that the lower saw guard is quite effective. The turbulent set up by the saw blade does a very good job of moving the dust. The dust collector just sucks it up into a bag.
I totally agree Dusty. There is very little dust that escapes the lower saw guard with a dust collector. Most of the dust is from no dust collection by the upper guard. As the blade passes through the kerf on the out feed side it still creates dust that is spewed up on the table. Upper guard dust collection sucks almost all of it up.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
I agree in that I don't think the dust port would improve the collection - that idea was to address the issue with the hose and rear port clipping the table when moved. I may try that and will let you know if it works. The improvement in collection I was thinking of was the combination of a stronger collector, and the upper saw guard collector that jsburger showed (that I originally saw on Bill Pentz's site)
Ed
Shopsmith: 2 Mark V 510 (1988,1993), bandsaw, jointer, mounted planer, belt sander, scroll saw, strip sander, lathe duplicator, conical disc sander, biscuit joiner, free standing router table with Jointech IPM-1
Other stuff: Bosch glide mitre, Ridgid 13" planer, Rikon drill press, routers, drills, and other toys
The upper saw guard collection port works and works well. It must. We have never seen any sign of saw dust in Johns' shop.
Furthermore, I have worked with a SharkGuard installed and it does eliminate very nearly all of the saw dust that escapes from above the table. If that is the way you want to go, I do not believe you will be disappointed.
I, on the other hand, do not care for the overhead hose and all of the associated apparatus. That is why I do longer have a SharkGuard. Not that it did not collect the dust because it did. I did not care for the setup.
With that, I was left with the need to improve dust collection and I have done that. All I have to do is remember to connect and turn on the dust collector.
If interested, there are other threads that discuss the modifications that Mark (mbcabinetmaker) and I have made to improve below table collection. Think about it! The dust is created as the saw blade passes down through the work piece. If adequately gathered at that point, there is no dust to be brought back to the upper surface.
Nice modification! Have you ever been concerned that the metal might flex back towards the blade, or is the gauge rigid enough to keep if from wobbling?
Ed
Shopsmith: 2 Mark V 510 (1988,1993), bandsaw, jointer, mounted planer, belt sander, scroll saw, strip sander, lathe duplicator, conical disc sander, biscuit joiner, free standing router table with Jointech IPM-1
Other stuff: Bosch glide mitre, Ridgid 13" planer, Rikon drill press, routers, drills, and other toys
ecom1 wrote:Nice modification! Have you ever been concerned that the metal might flex back towards the blade, or is the gauge rigid enough to keep if from wobbling?
That has never happened and I see no indication that it might BUT something like that is always possible. The metal is especially rigid. It is nothing more than flashing material used if roofing.
I was concerned about screws coming loose. I used pop-rivets for that reason.
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Nice modification, Dusty. Of course I saw the prototypes on the old thread and contributed one of my own. This one looks like it would be just about perfect for non-bevel cuts.
Gale's Law: The bigger the woodworking project, the less the mistakes show in any photo taken far enough away to show the entire project!
algale wrote:Nice modification, Dusty. Of course I saw the prototypes on the old thread and contributed one of my own. This one looks like it would be just about perfect for non-bevel cuts.
It works well but it is not perfect. The current short coming is that the blade still brings some saw dust up above the table. This deficiency is corrected by the SharkGuard because it also collects topside but like I said, I prefer to not have all that regalia above the table. Furthermore, my DC3300 will not lift the saw dust high enough to go overhead with the hose.
What would really solve this dilemma for me would be to have a dust collector that resided in the space beneath the Mark V.
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