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Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:37 am
by dusty
I think I understand what you envision BUT....how would you do a hold down that would work for the large variety of "small" pieces that you might need to cut.
Now I must admit that I have no experience cutting work pieces for segmented turning. I can't even envision how you might assembly pieces that were cut using all of the various angles provided by the MiterSet.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:07 am
by DLB
RFGuy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:08 pm
I have mostly just used my MiterSet Standard to set 90° on my Shopsmith miter gauge. For people like me that are lazy it works great for quickly and accurately setting the angle. I haven't used the other angles as much on it.
When used in this manner, how do the results of zeroing the miter gauge with the MiterSet produce results compare to the results of zeroing the miter gauge per the SS manual? Or are there too many variables to make this comparison? Lazy works for me, especially if it produces equivalent or better results.
- David
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:14 am
by RFGuy
DLB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:07 am
When used in this manner, how do the results of zeroing the miter gauge with the MiterSet produce results compare to the results of zeroing the miter gauge per the SS manual? Or are there too many variables to make this comparison? Lazy works for me, especially if it produces equivalent or better results.
- David
Thanks David. With patience, I get similar results squaring the miter gauge using the Shopsmith procedure to that of the MiterSet Standard. Using the MiterSet is much faster though in my experience.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am
by dusty
I thrive on these discussions.
What could be simpler than squaring the miter gauge to the miter track than using the MiterSet?
But...what good does that do you if the miter track is not parallel to the "face" of the blade?
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:39 am
by edflorence
dusty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am
What could be simpler than squaring the miter gauge to the miter track than using the MiterSet?
Well, sometimes I take the miter gauge, loosen the head, turn it upside down and set the bar in the slot and then snug the face of the gauge against the front rail of the table. As you point out, the table alignment has to be good for any method to work.
The hold downs for my (as yet) imaginary sled: my first thought is a couple of threaded rods set vertically to press down on the workpiece. If I get a chance later today I will try to post an image of what I am thinking.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:05 pm
by BuckeyeDennis
dusty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am
I thrive on these discussions.
What could be simpler than squaring the miter gauge to the miter track than using the MiterSet?
But...what good does that do you if the miter track is not parallel to the "face" of the blade?
If the saw blade is not parallel to the miter track, it will cut an ever-so-slight cove profile onto the end of the workpiece. But it will still be square to the workpiece reference edge (which is placed against the face of the miter gauge). That's assuming that the misalignment is not so bad that the workpiece hits the plate of the saw blade, of course.
I know that's counter-intuitive, but the fact is that all the cutting happens at the leading edge of the saw blade. And if you measure the distance from leading edge of the saw blade to the miter slot, it will be constant, regardless of their relative angle.
You could use the same miter-gauge setup in drill-press mode, and use a straight router bit to trim the end of the workpiece square. In that case, the angle of the miter track obviously makes no difference whatsoever -- you'll always get a straight square cut.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:39 pm
by dusty
BuckeyeDennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:05 pm
dusty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am
I thrive on these discussions.
What could be simpler than squaring the miter gauge to the miter track than using the MiterSet?
But...what good does that do you if the miter track is not parallel to the "face" of the blade?
If the saw blade is not parallel to the miter track, it will cut an ever-so-slight cove profile onto the end of the workpiece. But it will still be square to the workpiece reference edge (which is placed against the face of the miter gauge).
That's assuming that the misalignment is not so bad that the workpiece hits the plate of the saw blade, of course.
I know that's counter-intuitive, but the fact is that all the cutting happens at the leading edge of the saw blade. And if you measure the distance from leading edge of the saw blade to the miter slot, it will be constant, regardless of their relative angle.
You could use the same miter-gauge setup in drill-press mode, and use a straight router bit to trim the end of the workpiece square. In that case, the angle of the miter track obviously makes no difference whatsoever -- you'll always get a straight square cut.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:51 pm
by JPG
dusty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:39 pm
BuckeyeDennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:05 pm
dusty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am
I thrive on these discussions.
What could be simpler than squaring the miter gauge to the miter track than using the MiterSet?
But...what good does that do you if the miter track is not parallel to the "face" of the blade?
If the saw blade is not parallel to the miter track, it will cut an ever-so-slight cove profile onto the end of the workpiece. But it will still be square to the workpiece reference edge (which is placed against the face of the miter gauge).
That's assuming that the misalignment is not so bad that the workpiece hits the plate of the saw blade, of course.
I know that's counter-intuitive, but the fact is that all the cutting happens at the leading edge of the saw blade. And if you measure the distance from leading edge of the saw blade to the miter slot, it will be constant, regardless of their relative angle.
You could use the same miter-gauge setup in drill-press mode, and use a straight router bit to trim the end of the workpiece square. In that case, the angle of the miter track obviously makes no difference whatsoever -- you'll always get a straight square cut.
???
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:05 pm
by edflorence
edflorence wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:39 am
If I get a chance later today I will try to post an image of what I am thinking.
Here is a link to a page that shows more or less what I was thinking:
http://segmentedturning.com/cutting.htm
It looks like my wheel has already been invented
And his clamping method is simpler and more practical than what I was envisioning.
Re: More On Disappointed In MiterSet
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:24 pm
by rpd
And his clamping method is simpler and more practical than what I was envisioning.