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Right now I have three machines running windows 10. Only one of them can upgrade to windows 11. I still have a windows ME and a XP I keep for legacy software. I can't justify another one so this my main PC will have to go and I will have to move to a new machine, oh the pain of it all.

I started looking at updating my main machine last year and then decided I would like to have a lap top, and that is the only one that will update.

So I guess I need to get back on my quest to decide what I want for a main machine. It has been a while since I built this one, I think 9 years but it has had a couple of upgrades along the way. A newer mouse and keybd, newer video card, new monitor, a newer SATA controller card, and a larger SSD. But things have changed a lot so pretty much I can keep the monitor.......

Anyone else tested your PC running windows 10 to see if windows 11 will work on it?

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Ed, I’ve gotten into woodworking to get away from computers, so imagine my surprise to hear mention of Windows 11 here in this forum shortly after I heard about it in my professional world. It has just been released to beta with their expectation that it might be released to the public by the end of the year. If it’s like any of the past Microsoft OS releases it won’t have broad use until a year later, and then mostly because it will have been put on all the new PCs sold. If I wasn’t required to support my clients’ use of the OS, I probably wouldn’t touch it for a year or two from now.

I began working on computers in the U.S. Navy in 1980, but it was on weapon systems computers. I got my first PC in 1988, started using Windows NT when it was version 3.1 (and then the quickly released versions 3.5 and 3.51, which most people don’t even know existed). I wish I had been part of this forum when Bill Mayo was still around; I saw in his signature that he was an FTCS from 1955-75. I didn’t join the Navy until 1979, but I was an FTG1 when I got out in 1985. For those who don’t know, that is the designation of our rank and specialty, and Bill was a Senior Chief Fire Control Technician (an E8). I don’t usually say what my rate was because most people think Fire Control is fighting fires, but it’s really tied to the control of the firing of weapons systems.

Since I saw his rating I’ve been curious about which weapon system(s) he worked on. I worked on the Close-in Weapon System (Phalanx) and the Harpoon Weapon System, and then after I got out I was a specialist on the Tomahawk Weapon System for nine years. Everyone of those systems had me working on not only computers and electronics, but also the electrical power, mechanical, hydraulic, and cooling systems associated with the equipment. So getting into working on these old ShopSmiths has been a relaxing reprieve from the stresses of supporting the complex modern computers and servers out there today. I can’t really say I’m looking forward to Windows 11 and Windows Server 2022. But I’ll surely be putting the beta version on one of my computers in the next few weeks.

Beginning with Windows 10, Microsoft took Apple’s release model and decided to stop supporting older hardware. If you were an Apple devotee, when you upgraded to a new Macintosh, you pretty much had to get new accessory hardware. They often wouldn’t work with the older devices, and new OS upgrades would only work on the newer computers. In those same years, Microsoft tried to maintain compatibility. That is what people were able to use Windows XP from its public release in 2001 until, what, 2015? Microsoft shortened the life of Windows 7, but it still had the old compatibility model built into the OS, and a lot of old software continued to work on it. But to make Windows 10 more secure, they eliminated much of that old compatibility that made it vulnerable to malware. What losing that compatibility means to the public is that a lot of their old software and hardware won’t work with the new OS. But that’s the price of increased security. We have to stop those malicious hackers somehow.

One thing to keep in mind when you consider upgrading to Windows 11, Microsoft has a long history of every other OS release being a problem; remember Vista and Windows 8. So if you don’t need to upgrade to Windows 11, like I will have to do, I would hold off for a year or two. Let everyone else work out the bugs.
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I think I still have a desktop with 98 , I actually miss it .I remember our first flat screen monitor and how much room it saved on the desk .
Off the top it would appear what some call spyware seems to be a prominent thing with win 11 .

That said here is a list of requirements for Win 11 Internet Explorer is disabled. Microsoft Edge is the recommended replacement

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows ... ifications ,
Processor:

1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)

RAM:

4 gigabyte (GB)

Storage:

64 GB or larger storage device

Note: See below under “More information on storage space to keep Windows 11 up-to-date” for more details.

System firmware:

UEFI, Secure Boot capable

TPM:

Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0

Graphics card:

Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver

Display:

High definition (720p) display that is greater than 9” diagonally, 8 bits per color channel

Internet connection and Microsoft accounts:

Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.

Switching a device out of Windows 11 Home in S mode also requires internet connectivity. Learn more about S mode here.

For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.

Feature-specific requirements for Windows 11
Some features in Windows 11 have increased requirements beyond those listed above in the minimum requirements section. Below are some additional details regarding requirements for key features:

5G support requires 5G capable modem.
Auto HDR requires an HDR monitor.
BitLocker to Go requires a USB flash drive (available in Windows Pro and above editions).
Client Hyper-V requires a processor with second level address translation (SLAT) capabilities (available in Windows Pro and above editions).
Cortana requires a microphone and speaker and is currently available on Windows 11 for Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom, and United States.
DirectStorage requires an NVMe SSD to store and run games that use the "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver and a DirectX12 GPU with Shader Model 6.0 support.
DirectX 12 Ultimate is available with supported games and graphics chips.
Presence requires sensor that can detect human distance from device or intent to interact with device.
Intelligent Video Conferencing requires video camera, microphone, and speaker (audio output).
Multiple Voice Assistant (MVA) requires a microphone and speaker.
Snap three-column layouts require a screen that is 1920 effective pixels or greater in width.
Mute/Unmute from Taskbar requires video camera, microphone, and speaker (audio output). App must be compatible with feature to enable global mute/unmute.
Spatial Sound requires supporting hardware and software.
Teams requires video camera, microphone, and speaker (audio output).
Touch requires a screen or monitor that supports multi-touch.
Two-factor Authentication requires use of PIN, biometric (fingerprint reader or illuminated infrared camera), or a phone with Wi-Fi or Bluetooth capabilities.
Voice Typing requires a PC with a microphone.
Wake on Voice requires Modern Standby power model and microphone.
Wi-Fi 6E requires new WLAN IHV hardware and driver and a Wi-Fi 6E capable AP/router.
Windows Hello requires a camera configured for near infrared (IR) imaging or fingerprint reader for biometric authentication. Devices without biometric sensors can use Windows Hello with a PIN or portable Microsoft compatible security key.
Windows Projection requires a display adapter which supports Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) 2.0 and a Wi-Fi adapter that supports Wi-Fi Direct.
Xbox (app) requires an Xbox Live account, which is not available in all regions. See Xbox Live Countries and Regions for the most up-to-date information on availability. Some features in the Xbox app will require an active Xbox Game Pass subscription. Learn more about the pass.
Feature deprecations and removals
When upgrading to Windows 11 from Windows 10 or when installing an update to Windows 11, some features may be deprecated or removed. Please see below for information regarding some of the key features impacted:

Cortana will no longer be included in the first boot experience or pinned to the Taskbar.
Desktop wallpaper cannot be roamed to or from device when signed in with a Microsoft account.
Internet Explorer is disabled. Microsoft Edge is the recommended replacement and includes IE Mode which may be useful in certain scenarios.
Math Input Panel is removed. Math Recognizer will install on demand and includes the math input control and recognizer. Math inking in apps like OneNote are not impacted by this change.
News & Interests has evolved. New functionality has been added which can be found by clicking the Widgets icon on the Taskbar.
Quick Status from the Lockscreen and associated settings are removed.
S Mode is only available now for Windows 11 Home edition.
Snipping Tool continues to be available but the old design and functionality in the Windows 10 version has been replaced with those of the app previously known as Snip & Sketch.
Start is significantly changed in Windows 11 including the following key deprecations and removals:
Named groups and folders of apps are no longer supported and the layout is not currently resizable.
Pinned apps and sites will not migrate when upgrading from Windows 10.
Live Tiles are no longer available. For glanceable, dynamic content, see the new Widgets feature.
Tablet Mode is removed and new functionality and capability is included for keyboard attach and detach postures.
Taskbar functionality is changed including:
People is no longer present on the Taskbar.
Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray (systray) for upgraded devices including previous customizations.
Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.
Apps can no longer customize areas of the Taskbar.
Timeline is removed. Some similar functionality is available in Microsoft Edge.
Touch Keyboard will no longer dock and undock keyboard layouts on screen sizes 18 inches and larger.
Wallet is removed.
The following apps will not be removed on upgrade but will no longer be installed on new devices or when clean-installing Windows 11. They are available for download from the Store:
3D Viewer
OneNote for Windows 10
Paint 3D
Skype
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Microsoft has a fairly long turnover time between versions of Windows, so you don't need to make any decision for a couple of years. I recommend waiting until time tells how well 11 will work out. Then, pick the best option once you have some information to work with.
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Ed

I tested my desktop and it will not take Windows 11. I bought it back in Oct 2013 and it was on clearance then. I think it came with Windows 8 it's now running 10 from the Windows Insider program. Have upgraded both RAM and video card over the years, but I don't see another update coming as it does the job I need it to do. Which is the general rule I follow hardware upgrades: unless there is something I need it to do that it can't do, I don't upgrade.

My wife's laptop was purchased in 2019 so it will most likely work on 11, have not checked it yet.

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garys wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:03 am Microsoft has a fairly long turnover time between versions of Windows, so you don't need to make any decision for a couple of years. I recommend waiting until time tells how well 11 will work out. Then, pick the best option once you have some information to work with.
I strongly agree!!! I’ve been trying to get rid of clients’ IE this past year, since Microsoft will soon be stopping all support. It has been a very insecure browser, but I found that some of their banks and insurance companies were still requiring IE to do banking or access insurance policy ordering or management. How do you trust an entity that won’t spend the money to at least attempt to keep your money or information safe?

There are many items on that list of deprecations that people rely on, so I it looks to me like this is typical Microsoft, the version of Win11 being released is not really that ready for public use. I would expect several of those features will be returned as they do their weekly updates. It sounds to me much like how Windows 8 came out not really ready for production, at least not until they released 8.1. You don’t want to be the “alpha” tester.

Unless that is something you enjoy. :)
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Oh, and I guarantee you that 4GB RAM will not be enough. It’s not enough for Windows 10 to function; you can install it, but it is very slow if you want to run any programs. We’ve been putting at least 12GB for home clients, and 16GB for businesses. If you run any large applications you need to make sure whatever new PC you get can be upgraded to 32GB or more, because the OS memory consumption always grows over time and you’ll want be able to upgrade your RAM when you do end up needing more.
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As I had mentioned only one of my PC's will run windows 11. It is a dell xp13 and 10 gen i7 processor. I did go ahead and start beta testing the software and it has been very stable. It is a bit different the windows 10 and I am still trying to figure out a few things that have moved or look a lot different and know that a few things will be improving as time goes by.

I am running all the normal for me software and all of the programs are working so, so far so good. The release will start Oct 5th so I don't expect any surprises, most of the updates will be fixes for now.

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According to technumus, Microsoft is making an open invitation to gamers to upgrade, even going so far as to say that "if you're a gamer, Windows 11 was made for you" and calling Windows 11 the "best Windows for gaming" ever.
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Windows 10 will be supported until October, 2025, so I won't be in any hurry to upgrade my machines.
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