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Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:52 am
by JPG
rayrondini wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:35 am
DLB wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:31 am I'm not (yet) a Model 10 guy, but isn't there some type of tailstock center in the OP's pic?

Suggestion for OP - Add a photo with all of the parts/accessories you have and let the smart Model 10 folks here tell you what you have.

- David
Thanks - I'll do that!
The tailstock does have the MT2 socket.

It appears to have a live center inserted into it.

BTW the cone pulley on the motor is mounted bas ackward.

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:11 pm
by rayrondini
JPG wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:52 am
rayrondini wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:35 am
DLB wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:31 am I'm not (yet) a Model 10 guy, but isn't there some type of tailstock center in the OP's pic?

Suggestion for OP - Add a photo with all of the parts/accessories you have and let the smart Model 10 folks here tell you what you have.

- David
Thanks - I'll do that!
The tailstock does have the MT2 socket.

It appears to have a live center inserted into it.

BTW the cone pulley on the motor is mounted bas ackward.
Hi JPG - If that thing I have is a live center... it's dead now. So I'll need to replace it. Just to confirm what others have said (and to make sure my slow brain understands):
  • No other adapters or anything needed?
And I should also figure out how to reverse the pulley on the motor? :confused:

Thanks for everyone's help so far! I feel slightly less dumb... or perhaps just differently so, now!

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:15 pm
by chapmanruss
On a closer look there appears to be a Lathe Cup Center aka dead center in the tailstock. As JPG noticed the motor pulley is on backwards. The pulley steps should be opposite between the headstock and the motor to be able to change between the speeds. The only time the headstock and motor pulleys face the same way is when using a Speed Changer. If you haven't already seen it the PDF below is something I have posted many times which is the speed chart for the Model 10's for the 7 possible speeds.
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Table of Speeds Model 10s.pdf
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If you don't have an Owner's Manual there is one available at the link below. It is found here on the Forum site under the Maintenance and Repair section for Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More by Everett Davis. This will be one of the first three topics. In it you will find a wealth of information on the Shopsmith tools. Some are directly linked there and others are on “My Google Drive” with documents too large to be directly linked. Everett has become the Shopsmith historian by saving and restoring manuals and other documents. You will want the Model 10ER Restored Owner's Guide found on the 2nd row, 2nd from the left.
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... XBhMHJJY1E

From your last post

Yes for the Lathe Drive "A" and Live Center "C". You do not need the Tailstock Chuck Arbor unless you want to mount a Drill Chuck on the tailstock for some special lathe work. You will want a Drill Chuck to mount on the headstock's spindle for Drilling.

To reverse the pulley on the motor find the set screw normally in the center groove and loosen it. Slide the pulley off and turn it around. Slide the pulley with the small step towards the motor back on. Align the pulleys and tighten the set screw. You will find it helpful if the pulleys move freely on their shafts when the set screw is loosened to change the alignments for the additional 4 speeds shown in the chart attached above.

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:26 pm
by rayrondini
chapmanruss wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:15 pm On a closer look there appears to be a Lathe Cup Center aka dead center in the tailstock. As JPG noticed the motor pulley is on backwards. The pulley steps should be opposite between the headstock and the motor to be able to change between the speeds. The only time the headstock and motor pulleys face the same way is when using a Speed Changer. If you haven't already seen it the PDF below is something I have posted many times which is the speed chart for the Model 10's for the 7 possible speeds.
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Table of Speeds Model 10s.pdf

If you don't have an Owner's Manual there is one available at the link below. It is found here on the Forum site under the Maintenance and Repair section for Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More by Everett Davis. This will be one of the first three topics. In it you will find a wealth of information on the Shopsmith tools. Some are directly linked there and others are on “My Google Drive” with documents too large to be directly linked. Everett has become the Shopsmith historian by saving and restoring manuals and other documents. You will want the Model 10ER Restored Owner's Guide found on the 2nd row, 2nd from the left.
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... XBhMHJJY1E

From your last post

Yes for the Lathe Drive "A" and Live Center "C". You do not need the Tailstock Chuck Arbor unless you want to mount a Drill Chuck on the tailstock for some special lathe work. You will want a Drill Chuck to mount on the headstock's spindle for Drilling.

To reverse the pulley on the motor find the set screw normally in the center groove and loosen it. Slide the pulley off and turn it around. Slide the pulley with the small step towards the motor back on. Align the pulleys and tighten the set screw. You will find it helpful if the pulleys move freely on their shafts when the set screw is loosened to change the alignments for the additional 4 speeds shown in the chart attached above.
Thank you!

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:45 pm
by JPG
"Hi JPG - If that thing I have is a live center... it's dead now. So I'll need to replace it."

What part are you trying to rotate? Only the center cup portion rotates. The rest does not.

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:44 pm
by Hobbyman2
Quick question , regarding the pulley , wouldn't that just give ya more versatility with speed and torque like a drill press ? here is a link to rpm and pulleys , http://mgfic.com/rpm_calc.asp old school teachings use to tell us as long as the motor was not pulling too many amps at any given speed a number of pulley configurations can be used ? the HP rating on the motor should dictate the RLA running load amps on the load being applied ?

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:25 pm
by BobCoates1953
Yep, they all nail my idea, from SS product page, live center, and a is the drive center.

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:29 am
by chapmanruss
Hobbyman2,

I'm not sure what all you were asking. Your first comment
Quick question , regarding the pulley , wouldn't that just give ya more versatility with speed and torque like a drill press ?
If I understand what you are asking. By having the the pulleys opposite keeps the belt in line and provides the different speeds, just like a Drill Press. Example the 2" motor pulley to the 4" headstock pulley. If the pulleys both face the same way than keeping the belt in line gives the same speed just on different size pulleys and requiring different length belts. The 2" to 2", the 3" to 3" and the 4" to 4". The Model 10E and 10ER do work like a drill press, in fact it was designed after the Drill Press with the addition of a second post (the way tubes). Additional parts added to it allows it to be laid down and provide other functions.

JPG,

When I blew up the picture of his Model 10ER it looks more like it has a dead center. See below

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rayrondinis model 10ER detail.jpg
rayrondinis model 10ER detail.jpg (32.32 KiB) Viewed 2875 times

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:01 pm
by JPG
Yep! I stand corrected!

Re: Complete Rookie - Shopsmith 10ER Lathe/Drill Press

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:06 pm
by rayrondini
chapmanruss wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:29 am Hobbyman2,

I'm not sure what all you were asking. Your first comment
Quick question , regarding the pulley , wouldn't that just give ya more versatility with speed and torque like a drill press ?
If I understand what you are asking. By having the the pulleys opposite keeps the belt in line and provides the different speeds, just like a Drill Press. Example the 2" motor pulley to the 4" headstock pulley. If the pulleys both face the same way than keeping the belt in line gives the same speed just on different size pulleys and requiring different length belts. The 2" to 2", the 3" to 3" and the 4" to 4". The Model 10E and 10ER do work like a drill press, in fact it was designed after the Drill Press with the addition of a second post (the way tubes). Additional parts added to it allows it to be laid down and provide other functions.

JPG,

When I blew up the picture of his Model 10ER it looks more like it has a dead center. See below

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rayrondinis model 10ER detail.jpg
So... what's the answer? :) Do I need to flip the thing around, or no?