Headstock with plain black power switch
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Headstock with plain black power switch
I picked up a carriage with double tilt, lift assist, and a PowerPro headstock, kinda like a Mark 7 except no table system. The headstock doesn't have the red safety switch, just a plain black switch as shown below. The whole machine is pretty clean. The guy I got it from gets tools from estate auctions, he has no idea of it's history. Anyone ever seen a black switch like that in a headstock, PowerPro or conventional?
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
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Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
Don't think it SS. A PO probably just replaced a bad switch with one like that off the shelf.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
I agree with John. I have one like that except the rocker is red. I bought it from eBay, there were numerous options including black. Jacob A also advocated non-SS switches of similar design. Kind of surprising it has been replaced though, the PowerPro is pretty gentle on switches, and can't be much more than 10 or 12 years old. For sure, I would be cautious about using it on 230V without verifying it is still wired correctly.
- David
- David
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
I figured it to be replacing a bad switch, but it appears to have little usage. Perhaps it was changed just prior to sale. I have to be suspicious of this machine, don't know how it started in life. If the switch failed early on I would expect a ShopSmith replacement, so I have to worry about what caused a problem later. I think this was a good deal, for $500 it's a like new base with double tilt and lift assist, plus the PowerPro head which seems to work fine so far, so even if the PowerPro fails it wasn't an awful deal.
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
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Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
Ed,
It does sound like a pretty good deal. Just curious as to what the serial number/date code is which could tell more about the Headstock's history.
It does sound like a pretty good deal. Just curious as to what the serial number/date code is which could tell more about the Headstock's history.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
It only has a date code, maybe there were known issues from that time period or something like that but with just a date code I assume Shopsmith can't tell me anything about it specifically. You might be the best source of information for this.chapmanruss wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:50 pm Ed,
It does sound like a pretty good deal. Just curious as to what the serial number/date code is which could tell more about the Headstock's history.
ETA: I just realized the model number, 556187, tells me how the machine was initially sold, as a Mark 7 with PowerPro. Don't know when the Lift Assist was added, possibly as an original option. I don't know if it has a quick disconnect on the piston yet, haven't looked that close. It came disconnected and I took off the upper part on the way tubes to put a table carriage on.
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
Great deal, I'd say. Probably a pretty good deal for three times that. I'm not a big fan of the lift assist (yet) but think either version would be in demand in the used stuff market. I've been thinking about a back up main electronics module, it costs more than that by itself. I have one with some undesirable traits, thinking it's more likely to get worse than better.edma194 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:51 am I figured it to be replacing a bad switch, but it appears to have little usage. Perhaps it was changed just prior to sale. I have to be suspicious of this machine, don't know how it started in life. If the switch failed early on I would expect a ShopSmith replacement, so I have to worry about what caused a problem later. I think this was a good deal, for $500 it's a like new base with double tilt and lift assist, plus the PowerPro head which seems to work fine so far, so even if the PowerPro fails it wasn't an awful deal.
- David
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
Not a fan of lift assist either, and since I have a drill press don't need it for now. I might like to try some under-table operations on this but I don't have two-sided table legs. I had already pieced together a 510 carriage and table to upgrade the drill press so I might reverse the legs on that table and I'll have one normal table and one reversed. However, the lift assist is really not useful on the other end of the bench, IIRC it does nothing when the headstock is that close to the left side. I might end up selling it.DLB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:20 pm Great deal, I'd say. Probably a pretty good deal for three times that. I'm not a big fan of the lift assist (yet) but think either version would be in demand in the used stuff market. I've been thinking about a back up main electronics module, it costs more than that by itself. I have one with some undesirable traits, thinking it's more likely to get worse than better.
- David
I have thought about backups for the PowerPro. My first one was a DIY upgrade, but it still cost a bundle. I like it, but I'm not sure it was worth the cost. This used one will be worth the cost, as you say just for having parts backup. There's just three significant parts to a PowerPro motor system and each of them is very expensive to replace.
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
When I got Double Tilt my main table legs were messed up and I had to revert to the old ones for a while awaiting resolution. Easiest workaround for me was pull the table and carriage off and reverse both together. It might be easier for you to reverse legs in one table though, you can work out a way to use that table for both dedicated DP and Under Table by also semi-permanently reversing the DP carriage.(?)edma194 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:29 pm I might like to try some under-table operations on this but I don't have two-sided table legs. I had already pieced together a 510 carriage and table to upgrade the drill press so I might reverse the legs on that table and I'll have one normal table and one reversed. However, the lift assist is really not useful on the other end of the bench, IIRC it does nothing when the headstock is that close to the left side. I might end up selling it.
You are correct that the lift assist is not useful for reverse tilt. It's the opposite. You have to tilt to DP position, disconnect the cartridge, then go back horizontal, then reverse tilt. Then reverse that to hook it back up. I tried one that was for conventional headstock, so all of that plus no quick disconnect. Not for me yet, but works well as advertised. I'd use one on traditional (non-DT) machine, which is what it was originally designed for.
- David
Re: Headstock with plain black power switch
That's what I was trying to say before getting lost in my own word soup. I'll reverse the legs on the table normally on the drill press and leave the other one alone. This will allow me to reverse the carriage on the drill press so the handles are on the right side, and that table will get modified for better use in drilling, routing, and shaping which should apply to it's use on the other machine in under-table mode.DLB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:54 pm When I got Double Tilt my main table legs were messed up and I had to revert to the old ones for a while awaiting resolution. Easiest workaround for me was pull the table and carriage off and reverse both together. It might be easier for you to reverse legs in one table though, you can work out a way to use that table for both dedicated DP and Under Table by also semi-permanently reversing the DP carriage.(?)
If it has any use in reverse tilt mode I would move the whole mechanism to the other end. As far as I can tell it works either way on a double tilt machine. But there is not much use to it, in reverse tilt mode the headstock would start close to the left side already.You are correct that the lift assist is not useful for reverse tilt. It's the opposite. You have to tilt to DP position, disconnect the cartridge, then go back horizontal, then reverse tilt. Then reverse that to hook it back up. I tried one that was for conventional headstock, so all of that plus no quick disconnect. Not for me yet, but works well as advertised. I'd use one on traditional (non-DT) machine, which is what it was originally designed for.
- David
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER