new guy - new / old machine

[ivaada]

oops,, initially posted on the wrong board....starting over
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hello,, need advise, and this looks like the place !
my wife bought this machine a few years ago, and we are just now trying to bring it back to life. the main focus, at least for now, is the bandsaw.

we downloaded a "manual", and have worked thru it to clean and align. However we have one "squeeely" brass bushing, (lower), and also the autotrack bearing has a pretty sever wear mark in the center. sooo,, thought i'd order them, only to find that the autotrack in the parts list is (2 each - 514011) bearings, but on our saw,, it is just like the upper and lower ones ( 514007), or at least it looks like that to me ? Needless to say I am confused, and need some guidance, please.
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unfortunately the manufacture was unable to help, other than to tell me i needed to order 555074 Bandsaw Backup Bearing Kit , and 556074 Bandsaw Manual.
They were unable to tell me (if) those "parts" would work on this old saw, and unable to provide any history on the model and serial number ?
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i am gonna attempt to attach some pictures!

looking forward to the journey!

[ivaada]

no clue, why phone 3 and 4 are sideways ?

[DLB]

oops,, initially posted on the wrong board....starting over
............
hello,, need advise, and this looks like the place !
my wife bought this machine a few years ago, and we are just now trying to bring it back to life. the main focus, at least for now, is the bandsaw.

we downloaded a "manual", and have worked thru it to clean and align. However we have one "squeeely" brass bushing, (lower), and also the autotrack bearing has a pretty sever wear mark in the center. sooo,, thought i'd order them, only to find that the autotrack in the parts list is (2 each - 514011) bearings, but on our saw,, it is just like the upper and lower ones ( 514007), or at least it looks like that to me ? Needless to say I am confused, and need some guidance, please.
.
unfortunately the manufacture was unable to help, other than to tell me i needed to order 555074 Bandsaw Backup Bearing Kit , and 556074 Bandsaw Manual.
They were unable to tell me (if) those "parts" would work on this old saw, and unable to provide any history on the model and serial number ?
.
i am gonna attempt to attach some pictures!

looking forward to the journey!

Welcome to the forum. Your headstock SN appears to map to 1981. https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/serialnumber.htm Someone here can also convert the Bandsaw SN, but it is probably near the same. I've installed that upgrade kit in a much older (~'57) Bandsaw, so I'm confident it will work. The basics of the Bandsaw have changed little. Yours is almost unbelievably clean, I would guess it has low actual use.

Looking at your pics, there is something wrong with the mounting tubes that connect the BS to the Mark. They are either the wrong tubes or installed upside down.

- David

[chapmanruss]

Sorry I posted this on your other post first before seeing that you reposted here. I removed it in the other location.

Your Mark V was made in July of 1981. Your Bandsaw was made in August of 1983. There have been a few changes since the Bandsaw was introduced in 1955. That being said even those early Bandsaws can use the current parts. Sometimes parts can be replaced individually while other times it must be done as an assembly. Not all current parts match original parts for older Bandsaws. Ordering the Bandsaw Backup Roller Retrofit Kit part number 555074 would be the best way to go unless the tires on your bandsaw need replacing too. The auto-track and back up rollers have changed over the years but the parts are interchangeable. I have a 1956 Bandsaw that can use the Bandsaw Backup Roller Retrofit Kit in place of the original rollers. If the tires on your Bandsaw need replacing too than getting the Basic Bandsaw Tune-Up Kit part number 556083 which includes the Bandsaw Backup Roller Bearing Kit and 2 rubber Bandsaw tires plus glue and some savings.

The Manual you show is a newer one that has the Aluminum Table not the Cast Iron Table like yours. They do operate nearly the same but the Aluminum Table has some features available the Cast Iron Table does not. Ordering a Manual from Shopsmith will get you a copy of the Manual you already show above. If you don't have it with the manual, below is a link to the Parts Lists and Drawings. Again there will be some differences between your Bandsaw and the diagrams and parts list.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/manuals/845541.pdf

[wa2crk]

I don't think that the autotrack bearing has a worn mark on it. That bearing should be two bearings stacked together and the groove is where the two bearings stack together. The blade should be tensioned and then the bearing bracket can be moved so that the groove is directly behind the spine of the blade. The blade should ride in the groove.
Bill V

[JPG]

The 'autotrack' bearings appear to be the early wide single bearing type. They appear skewed, but that may be due to camera angle. When taking pix always use 'normal orientation(do not rotate). The software here ignores positioning 'metadata'.

IIRC the dual version is not oem.

[chapmanruss]

The new auto track bearing assembly uses two bearings unlike the earlier single roller previously used. When adjusted the blade will ride in the split between the bearings on the auto-track guide.

David commented about the Mounting Posts and is correct. They should be going farther into the Bandsaw's mounting holes. If they are the right Mounting Posts for the Bandsaw, they are 6-1/2” long overall and the 4-1/2” length to the offset goes into the Bandsaw while the 2" end goes into the Mark V's mounting holes. There are three lengths of Eccentric Mounting Posts used for the different SPT's. The shorter one is 3-1/2" long overall and the other is 8-7/8" long overall. This does not include the special offset Mounting Posts for the Bandsaw Part Number 555626 at the link below.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... gtubes.htm

I have not used these extra offset Mounting Posts for my Bandsaws so if you are considering these you may want comments from others who have them. They are for use by Bandsaw owners that want to be able to tilt up into Drill Press mode while not having to remove their Bandsaw. There is a clearance issue for newer Bandsaws with the aluminum table and fence. Anyone who has the double tilt option on their Mark V or owners of the Mark 7 and 4 have to remove any SPT before tilting their machine so these extra offset mounting posts would offer no advantage over the regular posts and cost a bit more than the regular eccentric mounting posts.

[ivaada]

thanks for all the info,,, sometimes all i need is a push in the right direction....
i will order the 555074 kit... appreciate that recommendation.
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still a bit confused about the mounting brackets....i took another picture,, and will try to get back to the barn to dissemble for better pictures of what i have. maybe i have them up-side-down ?.....and if turned over, that will make the saw more stable ?
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also re-took pictures of the 3 bearings....perhaps they will show "other" issues that i need to address ?

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and the last picture is of the blade tensioner,, unsure if it looks right,, and what does that flat head screw do ?

[ivaada]

unbelievable.... there they go again,, all sideways.... i did not take them that way,,, and have no idea what or why they are showing up wrong ?

[ivaada]

and it seems that the pictures cut off my last comment,,,which was about the blade tensioner...
does it look correct,, and what is purpose of the flatheadscrew?
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i have much to learn ,,, on how to use this site !