I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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everettdavis wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:07 am I don't post a great deal at this time and I don't login unless I have something to post, but I do view what's going on.
Glad you joined the conversation, Everett. I hope you’re well!
John Dalton
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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everettdavis wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:07 am Nice find and a great project.

I don't post a great deal at this time and I don't login unless I have something to post, but I do view what's going on.

Your 10E is early for certain at 1143. I have 1414.

I would love to get a good photo of the front Badge with the serial number at the bottom.

I have been tracking changes to the badges through the releases and trying to document the changes to the text on the badges, the size of the space they left for stamping serial numbers, the movement of the serial number toward the middle of the badge from just above the lower drive screw where it began.

There are a number of production changes and user upgrades through the years that are documented in the Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More post in Maintenance and Repair. It can be an interesting read and may help you discover more about the unit. Too many documents to actually mention. I hope you find them useful.

I know for a fact you will find the members here helpful. We are always looking to expand our knowledge and the library of documents that exist, some of which I have restored. All are donated to the worldwide Shopsmith community, and free to download. Most are graphically enhanced and are able to zoom much larger than the original document, with clarity.

Best of luck. Keep lots of photos, because this group loves photos!

Everett
Thanks for all the info Everett!

I am taking a crazy amount of photos as i go. Let me know what you can see in this one.
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When i was removing the badge i scratched it grinding the rivet heads. I'm sad about that and am going to try to restore it.

I have already been through a few of the documents, they are very helpful. This community is a fantastic find for me and i hope i can contribute.

The fact that the motor runs so well after 75 years makes me wonder if it was rebuilt at some point.
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There was a LOT of rust on the way bars and components when i got it, my garage shop is covered in metal dust now.
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Things are looking much better
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Today is primer day.
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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joelgardner wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:16 am The fact that the motor runs so well after 75 years makes me wonder if it was rebuilt at some point.
I have the same AO Smith motor on the 10-E I recently restored - it’s only 74 years old of course, but also runs great after a quick blowout of the accumulated sawdust. No prior rebuild on mine - just really well built to start with!
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John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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jpdalton wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:57 pm
joelgardner wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:16 am The fact that the motor runs so well after 75 years makes me wonder if it was rebuilt at some point.
I have the same AO Smith motor on the 10-E I recently restored - it’s only 74 years old of course, but also runs great after a quick blowout of the accumulated sawdust. No prior rebuild on mine - just really well built to start with!
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Nice clean up work on that motor. Mine had a nice dust collection inside too, the main spring on the headstock was also nonfunctional due to tight packed sawdust, works great now.
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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Primer is on, but now i can't remember if this was supposed to be an SS or the Millennial Falcon 🤔
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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E-1143 is the earliest Eastern Plant serial number I have seen but being from the Eastern Plant it is a later Model 10E. Around the time the Eastern Plant started production the Western Plant began using the R prefix for serial numbers. Prior to that the serial numbers did not have a prefix and later in the Model 10ER production the prefixes were dropped. I am not that surprised about the motor as almost all of my Model 10 restorations came with good working motors. They can be beautiful once restored.
Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. 10E S/N 1076 & others to be restored.
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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chapmanruss wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:20 pm E-1143 is the earliest Eastern Plant serial number I have seen but being from the Eastern Plant it is a later Model 10E. Around the time the Eastern Plant started production the Western Plant began using the R prefix for serial numbers. Prior to that the serial numbers did not have a prefix and later in the Model 10ER production the prefixes were dropped. I am not that surprised about the motor as almost all of my Model 10 restorations came with good working motors. They can be beautiful once restored.
That is great info. Thank you.

I thought that the 10E series was for the first public run of 250 ordered by Wards, and then the ER series was used for a slightly modified version for the next run of 1000.

This is the first i have heard of an Easy factory. I am very interested in the history, did you work for Magna?
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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Joel,

I have not worked for Shopsmith but have learned a lot about the history and the tools themselves through others here on the Forum and reading a lot of reference materials. I enjoy working on and restoring these tools as much as using them. Below is a link to a thread I started titled Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where here in the Community section which others have added to that increases the knowledge base for these wonderful tools. I think you will enjoy it and find answers to East vs West Factories and the serial number confusion.

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Do continue posting your progress as we love seeing these tools getting restored and continuing to be useful. Just a couple things I noted as I looked at your pictures more careful this morning is you have the second version of the Headstock and Belt Cover. It looks like they had changed to the alloy locks from the original brass ones by the time your Model 10E was made. You have the second version of the Tailstock and the common single piece cast 8" Lathe Tool Rest. The original 8" Lathe Tool Rest was two parts with a threaded post. The Quill Collar is the later version. I notice these things as I try to document the changes made to the Model 10's during their production beginning in 1947 through 1953. As you noted in your first post
This machine was sold through Schusters Department Store in Milwaukee Wisconsin in 1948 to a man named Spalda.
You Model 10E was made in 1948. It is nice to have that piece of history for your Model 10E.
Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. 10E S/N 1076 & others to be restored.
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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After thoroughly enjoying the buffing grinding and polishing and painting part of this restoration, it came time to reassemble. This was when I suddenly remembered that I am not a mechanic. I am a software engineer that loves woodworking.

Overall it went better than I expected, and with a few sporadic hours of effort I was able to get all the parts back in place. For anyone else on this journey, take lots of pictures. I laid all the parts out in order as I took them off and got multiple angles of them both assembled and separate.
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It wasn't until the entire machine was assembled, rewired, and mounted on the bench that I found a problem. When I started it up for the first time there was clicking. Click, click, click. After going over the entire parts assembly and all my pictures, i realized that i did not tighten one allen setscrew on a collar next to the rear bearing. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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The reason this is such a problem is that now after all the greasing, spring winding, and finagling that assembly together i will have to take the entire thing apart to get to that one setscrew. I have considered living with the ticking, but I am sure the bearing will get knocked loose, or it will do some horrible damage eventually.
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Re: I Just Purchased 10E Number 143

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I'm happy to share my bench!

I used the original blueprints that were still folded up inside the manual I received with my Shopsmith.
Click here for a detailed video of the whole process

I did make some minor modifications and upgrades:
Used 2x6s for the legs
Used 2x6s all around for the frame instead of mixing 2x4s and 2x6s
Opted for the plank top instead of plywood
added proper bolts lock washers and non-square nuts
Changed the height from 20" to 24" for comfort
Milled all the wood down to 1.75" x 5" to give it sharper corners and cleaner lines.
Cut the legs to join the frame even with the outside.
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More to come!
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