Another 10ER reborn into this filthy world.

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Another 10ER reborn into this filthy world.

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Ok, I think I have found the right place for this kinda thread. Wanted to document my poor choices on this rebuild for future generations to understand how cavemen such as myself went about trying to save a shopsmith from certain death. Saw this pop up on Facebook marketplace for 150.00 and talked him down to 100.00. Came with a few of the basics and even a bandsaw which I was super excited to use and then quickly learned many doohickeys and adapters would need procured for that to work. So, Mark V bandsaw, you’ll have to wait. Patience grasshopper. Also had a speed changer that seemed to be welded to the rusty waytubes by the fires of Satan himself. Of course I was obliged to do my best Joe Dirt “That’ll buff out” impression. May the gods have mercy on me. Here I go.
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It’s a beauty! Or at least it will be, if your restoration skills are any match for your
English phraseology skills. :cool:

Should you need inspiration, just check out what the legendary MickyD did with an absolute basket case.

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BuckeyeDennis wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:12 pm It’s a beauty! Or at least it will be, if your restoration skills are any match for your
English phraseology skills. :cool:

Should you need inspiration, just check out what the legendary MickyD did with an absolute basket case.

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Wow! That sets the bar pretty high! I thought mine was rusty! Well I am quite certain my progress will not reflect that level of detail but I know where to look when I need some ideas.
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JCorr1975,

It is amazing how much abuse and neglect these tools can take and still be brought back to life. Clean up the rust on those Way Tubes and other parts to make it functional again. If you decide to do a complete restoration to make it "like new" great, if not it will still be a good usable tool. You can always go back later and do more restoration work if you desire. Below is a pair of Way Tubes I took a "before and after" picture of. They both cleaned up very nice. These were not the worst set I have had that still "cleaned up" nicely. You can do the same with the 2 Table Rods (posts) to make them shiny again too.

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When removing rust and other foreign matter it is important not to remove any of the base metal. Use a good rust remover followed by polishing the tubes. Johnsons original formula Paste Wax or similar will help protect the bare metal parts and provide lubrication to keep those parts, like the Headstock and Carriage, moving smoothly on the way tubes. The same goes for other bare metal parts.

If you need any help, just ask.

It is interesting it came with a Shopsmith Bandsaw. Since it is dacades newer than the Model 10ER I have to wonder it a previous owner had it to use on a Mark V. There are options as to what to do with it. You can try to find the Power Mount Adapter parts with the special Headstock Pulley and use it on your Model 10ER. You could look for a Power Station to run it on or get a new (from Shopsmith) or used SPT stand with motor to run it on. There is the option of gettng a Mark series tool to use it on. You could sell it and likely get your investment or more back on it. I would not recommend selling it if you ever think you may want to have a Bandsaw. It would be hard to get another one for the price you paid for it. $100 for just the Model 10ER was a good deal.

Lastly did you get an Owner's Guide (manual) with it?
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Russ, that is one fine looking Way Tube! I got 4 in the goo overnight and would love to have them turn out like that down the road, beautiful work.
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Wow! Your way tubes look better than factory fresh! I may invest in a power station for a standalone band saw. I started sizing up an approach to loosen things up. It definitely looks like someone tried the brute force approach as there are mushroomed ends on the way tubes and table rods. I started with some pb blaster to try and work it in. Lightly sanded the way tube sections that were exposed and also managed to knock one of the table rods out with a rubber mallet. Some of these parts seem like they have completely fused together. Headstock, carriage and speed changer wouldn’t budge with semi gentle force. I soaked some shop towels in Evaporust to wrap around handles and knobs and letting it sit overnight. It also looks like the speed changer had broken on the left “ear” and was welded back on..so that will be a challenge to not re break…
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Prime rule for a speed changer. NEVER rotate crank when either of the springs between the speed controller link and the arm being moved are fully compressed. Clumsy wording, but very important. Ignoring it is the cause of so many having that 'ear' busted.
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I have had success applying a bit of Evaporust at the frozen parts and letting it wick in, the way you used the pb blaster.
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JCorr1975 you said,
It definitely looks like someone tried the brute force approach as there are mushroomed ends on the way tubes and table rods.
I said in my last post here,
When removing rust and other foreign matter it is important not to remove any of the base metal.
But this is a case when you cannot follow that rule. If the tube ends are mushroomed, they will have to be returned to the original diameter on those ends. Just no need to overdo it. I have had to file down mushroomed ends too.

As JPG noted the Speed Changer can easily be damaged, or in this case again, if not handled or used correctly. Do be careful getting it off the Way Tubes. It will be better to get things sliding freely rather than forcing it.

Ron's suggestion of using Evaporust instead of PB Blaster may work better as the rust being removed in-between parts may loosen them up better than lubricating them. One thing that makes parts difficult to separate at times is caused by the set screws. Set screws "dimple" the metal they are "set" into. With the close-fitting parts on this tool the burr created by the dimple will dig into the part with the set screw when being removed. I have come across this problem a number of times disassembling Model 10's especially removing the Feed Knobs from the Feed Pinion and the Table Posts from the Tie Bar.
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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Ok, it’s been a few months since my last post and I got a lot more done in that window than I can put in a single post so I’ll try to catch up in chunks. I worked on the base next. Was going to replace the boards with new hardwood but my son convinced me that the 70 year old planks had a history and needed to stay. Was not an easy choice because at some point, something very burny got placed on the center. Almost burned through in a few areas. Sooo…..I sanded them down to investigate. Used a small orbital sander to remove the dust charcoal left behind. Wood looked beautiful for its age! Noticed a lot of splitting though. Mixed up some glue and sawdust and filled the cracks. Sanded again. Lined the burn mark with a thick layer of epoxy to add strength. Stained the wood, added several layers of a laquer top coat and then flipped the boards over so the burn mark was underneath. History saved a little longer. Stood right in the center to test the strength of the boards with no problems and I am an openly fat man. Dad bod is the lingo my kids use.
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