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Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:21 am
by br549
I just had to replace my switch (after 42 years), and it ran great for about an hour. Then it wouldn't start and only hummed, which I have come to recognize as likely caused by sawdust build up in the centrifugal start switch. So, took out 1 1/8 HP GE motor and opened it up, blew out dust and put motor back in. Still only hummed. Took motor out again and this time cleaned centrifugal switch contacts and re-bent arms slightly. This time it started, but it seemed to start (and stop) a little quicker than usual. Got re-set up to continue my sawing, and after a few seconds of running speed control up to "P" noticed light blue smoke coming from headstock. Immediately shut off. In the process of dropping motor fan, felt oily liquid on bottom of pan. Scrap of wood I had across bench tubes below motor pan (to support motor pan as I removed it) also wet with light oil. Capacitor compartment also has some oil inside it, and capacitor was very hot. Is this one of the rare instances where the capacitor has failed?
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:25 am
by garys
Yes, that sounds like a capacitor failure. Nothing lasts forever.
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:41 am
by br549
Thanks. Any suggestions on where to find replacement? Here are pictures of the old one. I tried searching by all of the numbers and no luck.
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:39 pm
by garys
Just take it to a local electric motor repair shop and most likely they have a new one on hand.
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:11 am
by JPG
Relevant # are 161-193 MFD, 110v 60hz
You may have 'formed' the contacts too much so that the contacts are not opening and the capacitor was shifted from intermittant to continuous duty and subjected to excess voltage after startup.
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:36 pm
by rogersk
br549 wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:21 am
Thanks. Any suggestions on where to find replacement? Here are pictures of the old one. I tried searching by all of the numbers and no luck.
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This one at Grainger looks like it fits the bill.
Keith
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:55 am
by br549
Thanks for the tips and suggestions. A local motor repair shop was investigated, but it would involve driving thru Houston, which I am becoming less inclined to do. I'll double check the centrifugal switch contact arms too, to be sure I didn't bend them too much. New capacitor that I ordered online is due to arrive tomorrow, so will post results after I get it installed.
Re: Mark V 500 Centrifugal Switch Contact Points
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:29 am
by br549
I temporarily changed the subject line, as my question now has to do with how the contact portion of the centrifugal switch works. After some confusion on my part, I think I understand it, but would appreciate a more expert opinion, confirmation, or correction.
On a GE motor such as mine, the round contact points need to be in contact in order to get the capacitor to send current to the start windings. Once the motor starts spinning, the spring loaded centrifugal mechanism drops down, breaking the connection at the round contact points.
The red wire from the capacitor is connected to the copper yoke, which is connected to the two aluminum arms. These aluminum arms are also energized when the copper yoke is energized, but the tips of these 2 aluminum arms do NOT need to be in contact with the copper yoke while the motor is starting.
Once the motor starts spinning, the spring loaded centrifugal mechanism drops down, and the copper yoke will (or may?) contact the 2 aluminum arms, but since the round contact points are no longer touching, no additional energy is being sent from the capacitor to the start windings.
There is also the second red wire from the capacitor that appears to connect to the start windings.
Is this summary correct?
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:43 pm
by JPG
The aluminum arms are a stop for the open position(running). This allows the yoke wear pads to clear the spinning sliding actuator thus only wearing when starting up. The sliding actuator should push the yoke and thus close the contacts at rest. The fly wheel weights cause the actuator to slide on the shaft. The actuator should be spring loaded towards closing the contacts.
I be guessing the arms are plated steel.
Re: Mark V 500 Capacitor Failure?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:07 pm
by br549
Thanks jpg for the excellent verbal description of the function of all of the pieces. The purpose of the plated steel arms (you were right, not aluminum) now makes sense. My new capacitor arrived in the mail and all is back together and seems to running properly. Getting the copper yoke and the plated steel arms bent to the correct angles took a few tries, but finally succeeded.